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Mafia psychopaths
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In addition to the latest topics like smartest mobster, dumbest, etc. I would like to add a new one: Mafia psychopaths. With psychopath I don't mean "he killed someone so yeah he's a psychopath"... What I mean is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PsychopathyPeople kill eachother all the time, but only a small percentage would really classify as a true psychopath. The most visible symptons are the inability to feel shame or guilt, poor social skills, but especially for psychopaths in the mafia the most common one is they usually have the habit of fucking things up very badly... Here's a list of mobsters I'm pretty sure they could indeed be classified as psychopaths: Albert Anastasia Carmine Galante (was apparantly diagnosed as a psychopath) "Mad" Sam DeStefano Anthony Spilotro Tommy DeSimone Possible psychopaths: Roy DeMeo Jimmy Burke Nicky Scarfo Sammy Gravano Anthony Casso Vito Genovese Toto Riina
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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I am surprised no one from the Demeo crew is on that list.
In Murder Machine, I think it is believed and quoted that the FBI believed that 3 to 4 of them would qualify as serial murders.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Add Tommy Pitera to that list Really? He was such a sweetheart.
"What is given, can be taken away. Everyone lies. Everyone dies." - Casey Anthony, in a poem, July 7, 2008
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Eh. When DeMeo ordered a hit, he really meant "back me up when I kill him". It's debatable how much murders he and his crew commited. Some sources estimated the number to reach 200, but only about 40 or so are documented. And I believe most of those murders were ordered by others. But again, a killer isn't necessarily a psychopath and a psychopath isn't necessarily a killer. Riina is a sociopath if you ask me. That's exactly the same thing. The definition of a psychopath is that it's genetical and you're born as one. A man like Toto Riina grew up in very difficult circumstances and became involved in the mafia at a very early age. So growing up while witnessing cruel things like murder, torture, etc can do crazy things to you're mind. Eventually, you can get used to such an environment. So that's why I'm not convinced that he really is a psychopath. But like I said, it's likely.
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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I'm not sure about him really being a psychopath. He killed a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily have to make you a psychopath. Most of the murders he commited were ordered I believe.
Another example is Toto Riina. He probably ordered more murders than anyone else in the history of the mafia. But this guy was a master in shaping alliances with others which suggest he knew how to deal with people, something most psychopaths have trouble with.
It's likely these guys were psychopaths, but I'm not convinced. alot of his hits were unsanctioned. including women, innocent vaccum salesman, people that punched him in the eye, other made men.....perhaps you and i have a dif idea of pshyco paths. Many wiseguys have very big ego's. So I think killing someone who punched you in the eye isn't that unusual in the mafia. But I agree on the other things. I don't know that much about Roy DeMeo (haven't read murder machine) so that's why I can't be sure yet.
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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i understand. i def respect your decision to state your opinion. i would highly suggest reading murder machine tho. imo one of the best. +1 I highly recommend Murder Machine. Great book.
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Another possible psychopath: Joe Massino.
You really need the disability to feel no shame or guilt to rat on everyone you know.. And didn't he order the murder of Gerlando Sciascia because Massino thought he was questioning his authority? Well according to Massino, Sciascia was murdered for murdering somebody himself. He is said to have questioned Massino's leadership abilities and supposedly bitched about TG's cocaine problem as well. I'm guessing all of it played a factor in his murder. But I have to agree with you about the rat thing. There has to be something really fucked up with your mind if you're willing to rat on the people you grew up with.
"What is given, can be taken away. Everyone lies. Everyone dies." - Casey Anthony, in a poem, July 7, 2008
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Tony Mirra The only person he was ever nice too was his Momma Ok in that case, I'm gonna mention Randy Pizzolo, who shamelessly ripped off his own mother.
"What is given, can be taken away. Everyone lies. Everyone dies." - Casey Anthony, in a poem, July 7, 2008
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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Re: Mafia psychopaths
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I thought I was stating ones that have not been mentioned but I was wrong, the obvious ones are:
Gaspipe Tony Spilatro Mad Sam Jimmy Burke Carmine galante
Its funny, I sit here and try to think of someone from the Genovese family and I cannot. Probably why they remain a power, no maniacs that draw heat.
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