Also on the news they were saying how the original indictment was handed down in 2009 and then again this January that just passed. And with all the stuff they have on these guys being old...something must have happened between then and now to make this a more legit case for the feds. Or at least they are hoping someone flips...I dont know but it should be fun to watch.

My predicition
1. Stevie Mazzone becomes acting boss
2. Staino flips
3. Ligambi gets indicted for murder
4. Ligambi works out a plea, but gets 20 years.
5. Merlino moves slowly back in to take over as boss.
6. Merlino/Mazzone get indicted and later convicted.
7. Michael Lancelotti takes over as acting boss.
8. George Borgesi is finally released and takes over.
9. Joseph Ligambi returns to the scene at the incredible age of 89.
10. Borgesi is murdered execution style outside his girlfriend's house in Des Moines, Iowa.
11. Ligambi takes over immediately.
12. Staino is located in Texas and murdered.

Why is nobody considering Lancelotti to become boss?


I really wonder if Staino will flip.. He will only get 2 to 3 yrs.. I could see Merlino and Company taking over and Staino being released and bad blood.. Borgesi is not flipping..

These guys who go into witness protection never get executed.. The guys dont seem to go after them.. It would really hurt to see Staino rat.. He is looking at 2-3 yrs here ..

This is going to be real fun and interesting to watch.. I want to see hwo takes over and how this case plays out.. Any word on Merlino?

Okay after having read that indictment page to page, this does not seem like a very strong case against Ligambi. He doesn't appear to be on many tape recordings, and although he may have said a few incriminating things, it's rather vague and the references to him aren't very clear. Maybe the government has some ace up it's sleeve, but at first and second glance, I don't see it. The fact that he's not being charged with any violent crime, he could very well get his lawyers to work out a nice plea with the prosecution and be home for the apocalypse in 2012. That is of course if the case is as weak as it appears to be.

I keep saying I don't think Staino will flip.He has no reason to.There is a future boss in waiting if there ever was one.He does not look it but they say he can handle himself really well[as far as being tough]That huge wedding he had wiseguy's down from New York he is very well respected.His wife has a hair saloon place in town.it would not be worth it for him to end up in the midwest.Anybody that ever went in these protection programs hate it.Years ago Lawrence Merlino,Nicky Crow regrets it till this day.You could even tell by the look on John Veasey's face,I don't care if he owned 10 car lots,I know he would rather be back here getting revenge for his brothers death..Nobody's flipping.

JUST IN.....Staino out on $1 Million dollar bail. 6 homes were put up; his wife, ex-wife, son, two cousins and a former police officer. But the Big Guy, or the Broke guy, Gaeton Lucibelo is held till trial...No Bail. It really must have come down to the fact that Staino has never been arrested and Lucibello was a former Captain and has been arrested for racketeering before.

He must really be a stand-up guy for his x-wife to put up house.The talk of him flipping is absolutely ridiculous.

This works out great for Ligambi. Staino can restore order out on the street while the other Ligambi loyalists spit on the feds. Literally.

I agree, I don't think the FEDS would go through all this trouble to give these guys a two year sentence. I love your line abou Mousie, it had me laughing my ass off. I've said here before, Mousie seems like a man destined to die in prison. With the current charges I really don't see anyone flipping, but if they come down with murder charges, we have a whole different ball game.

This surprises me, a million dollars bail for a guy with no prior convictions? It is not like he is being accused of a list of violent crimes or being a major drug dealer. Lucibello not getting bail is even a shock to me, because there is no violence in the indictment. I know guys who've been accused of attempted murder, and had prior convictions that had bails a fraction of what these guys are getting or not getting!

Well if they're holding Lucibello until trial then I doubt Ligambi or Mousie make bail...and definitely not Angelina, but that's not a surprise.

Out of the three I'd say Ligambi has the best shot, no convictions since '89. This is fourth time since '87 that Massimino has been indicted on racketeering charges and he has a rap sheet going back to the early 70s. Angelina was popped on RICO charges in 2000, got nailed for parole violations when he got out in '07, got hit with assault charges for spitting on that cop in '09, and recently spent the night in jail after that fight with his girlfriend...no way the judge gives him bail.

Barrett m I see where you said Staino can restore order the only thing is they may have to come to him,because i read where he got house arrest.Does anybody know exactley what the provisions are of that.Are you allowed to go to work.They always say Staino works but they never say where.Apparantley the rules must be strict because the judge said if he screws up these people lose their houses.So he might not be taking too many chances.Boy your right Gerry a million dollars seemed awful high.

I don't see Staino doing anything for the next thousand months, but being home and jerking off. I heard that If he fucks up, his family will send two gorillas to chop him up.

Few points and questions i have

Staino flipping is out of question...

When Staino gets out does he wash his hands w the gangster life n go legit like Angelo Lutz?

What happens now when STaino gets out in 2 yrs and Merlino n the crew are running? DO you see this as issue? Does Staino keep his title as Underboss under Joey to give a bone back to Uncle Joe?

How did Lancoletti not get picked up?

So basically Staino is gonna run the show until trial?

I personally think whether its Mazzone,Ciancaglini,or Staino at the top they will be ok.Has long has you keep Borgesi and Angelina out of the hiearchy things should when its all said and done run smooth.I think Merlino should stay in Florida because he brings too much heat to the table.You talk about a teflon don,Lancelotti must never talk or something,his only scrape with the law that I know of is when he punched that guy in the face right in front of a cop at Chickie and Pete's years ago,something about a women.Well Staino has a nice 2500 sq. ft.spread in woolwich twp.nj that he can roam around in.Uncle Joe should make a deal[plea bargain maybe get 3-5 yrs.out in 2 and a half] do his time and retire.

I wonder myself about that. Will some of these throw in the towel? Can a guy like Joe Ligambi decide "enough is enough" & retire? How does that work? Does he even have enough of a nest-egg to retire on after all these years? I mean, Cosa Nostra isnt exactly known for its superannuation scheme.

Guys like Staino, would he even be "allowed" to retire, as such? Like Vitti in Analyze This? Im actually serious but. For some reason I cant seem to imagine this happening in New York in decades past, but if it would ever happen, it'd be in Philly today.

I hear you there Mickey Meatballs,about not having that nest-egg,especially the guys in Philly is probably true.Maybe Ligambi and Staino do ok at the top but there was a big deal made at Staino's wedding a lot of the not so higher-ups complaining about the lack of cash.Plus I said somewhere earlier these lawyers literally charge an arm and a leg.Back in 01 the boys thought it was funny when Borgesi stiffed Bruce Cutler of I don't know how much[that's why they say he wasn't there for closing arguments].You go along doing good making money and then boom you get hit and that lawyer bill can wipe you out.I think these guys can retire if they want,but bottom line is you need money.

There is a great artcle on philly.com called ''the mob lives off its reputation and these video poker machines''That is it in a nutshell.Years ago Anthony''Tony Machines'' Milicia and his partner ''Peg Leg'' controlled these machines,Scarfo,Natale,they all tried to get their hands on them[Milicia was eventually shot but survived''but it finally took an offer they couldn't refuse from 3 dangerous men,Ligambi,Staino,and Mousie before they caved in out of fear.Supposetley they paid 70 grand to Milicia's sons for the business,a business that generates at least 75 to 100 grand a month.I'd say they got the best end of that deal,What were Milicia's sons going to do,one of them is a doctor for crying out loud.So there you have it.So basically while Ligambi and Staino kick back at home at nite people all over South Philly are making them rich playing those machines,that's the mob for you.

Staino will not be heard from. He is on strickt house arrest. New story on Philly.com about the bail hearings and the poker machines. Doesn't look like anyhone else will get bail.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/...ing_racket.html

Some guys have been allowed to retire. Michael Franzese, John Gotti, Jr., Joe Bonanno and a few others. Also, when people get high up in age, they're usually put on the shelf and get to live out the rest of their lives in some condo in Miami. A guy like Staino probably could retire, but I'm sure his friends would be disappointed. They'd probably eventually understand. The guy just got married and has a little baby. But them by granting him this favor, doesn't mean they can't use him. A lot of people believe the Colombos have been utilizing Michael Franzese for many years. He's even paid legal bills for a few high ranking guys. That guy is at the very least playing a fringe game. An absolute hypocrite if you ask me.

I have been on the fence with Staino retiring but i doubt it.. He looks like he loves this life and is a boss in waiting.. Ligambi prob will retire unless he does 3 yrs.. Have we heard anything from Merlino ??

Spoke to Merlino about an hour ago. He was playing mini golf with his halfway house buddy Otto and didn't want to be bothered. I don't think he wants to be boss.

Uncle Joe: Bail Denied
Bent Lou: Bail Denied
Mousie Massimino: Postponed (I believe he is still looking for a lawyer)

Job opening, Dog walker,where: Pennypacker park,hours:6:00 to 7:00 Every day[including holidays]Perks:good pay,rubbing elbows with the hiearchy of the Philly Mob On the downside:bitter cold winter mornings,maybe hit in crossfire,and last but not least don't be late.Now taking applications.

Yet Staino gets bail and he's the one hollering death threats on them tapes. Weird.

I hear ya Vin even though those tapes were from 2003...but he is the only who not only never did time but was never arrested. Mousie and Lou were locked up less then 2 years ago. Joe has been arrested and did 10yrs before overturned. Gaeton was a mob captain and has been locked up and arrested. I think thats the only thing that saved Staino. And it was $1 Million bail. If anyone in his inner circle would get bail it would be Staino. Angelina... I haven't heard when his hearing is but he will be denied to.

I'm aware of his squeaky clean record, but he's still the one on tape. Also, nobody is being charged with a violent crime. Even John Gotti made bail after being indicted for the John O'Connor shooting. That was not only a violent crime, but Gotti was on tape and he also had a long criminal record. These bail hearings make no sense to me.

Thats what makes me think these charges are a little more involved than people think.

Where do they keep the inmates waiting for trial in Philly?Is is that CFCF center there on State Rd.

We are all well aware...thats my point. That is the only reason why he received bail...and its $1 Mill because of that threat. Give me another good reason. And dude...John Gotti was 20 years ago...
My only point is, nobody in his inner circle would get bail in this case besides Staino. The other nobodys did but there not going to let the Boss out on bail nor known mobsters who have a criminal history nowadays here. Staino recieved bail because of his clean criminal history point blank. That threat was the only thing that Gregory Pagono, his lawyer, thought would hold up bail. And Pagano argued that the threat was from 2003 and no violence came of it. You don't have to understand it but that's the reasoning.