Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Blacks and Italians shared the numbers business in Harlem from as far back as the '30s. The truth is, the Italians couldn't have run it at all without using black middlemen, like Bumpy Johnson. Eventually, as the black population exploded in Harlem and numbers runners became more and more independent, they lost their need for (and fear of) the Italians all together, and went out on their own.


Everything quoted here is wrong and people should listen to what Ivy says. He actually does researche, reads books and knows his subject before he types.


Excuse me, Mussolini? And just who the fuck are you?

You're barely literate. You post nonsense. And you know next to nothing about American organized crime. I respect IvyLeague and vice versa. I'm sure that if you asked him, he'd tell you that I've already forgotten more about the topic than you'll ever know.

And just what was the problem with my synopsis? Does it trouble you that black people were in business with Italians? Are you a revisionist? Do you even know what revisionist means?

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
It was in the 1980's that there seemed to be less contact with the mob and the blacks in the numbers racket. The mob was switching more to sports betting anyway, which typically served a more white clientele.

That's a fair point, Ivy. But it should be mentioned that it was in the early 1980's that the NY Lottery introduced their daily number. It's no coincidence that there was a huge decline in playing street numbers at that time.


LOL,I see I hit a nerve and got your panties in a knot eh? I am far more educated than you ever will be son. Care to post credentials and family back groud?


Franceschini's book contradicts everything you say, and excuse me for believing the word of a guy who spent a career fighting organized crime over some random internet poster who brags about how much they know about OC. Sure you probably do know more about the subject of OC than me but I highly doubt you have a higher education than I do and why don't you post a source to your synopsis? Then perhaps your claims will have more validity. Furthermore as I pointed out the Outfit stole the number racket from the Blacks in Chicago. Are you trying to tell us the Outfit was more savvy than the NY families? Because according to your synopsis they blacks were independent of the Italians by the 40's in NY.

Last edited by Mussolini14; 07/15/11 05:50 PM.