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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Tattaglia wasn't really respected among the other Dons, and they basically thought he was a scumbag. It could be inferred to show that he has no respect for Don Zaluchi because he's not really listening to what he has to say (as presumably the other Dons were) but chats with his henchman (who, I presume, is his Consiglieri) while Don Zaluchi is talking.
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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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08/08/11 11:40 AM
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They also blamed Tattaglia for starting the war by his inefficient murder attempt(s) on Vito. They felt that if he had been successful at the shooting, or later at the hospital, Sonny would have been forced to make a deal, and the war would have been averted. There's no question in my mind that Barzini arranged for the don from Detroit to make his speech which set the conditions for the compromise Vito was going to make. Barzini also must have told Tatt what he was up to and based on those conditions he would be forced to make the peace with Vito like it or not. Accordingly Tatt didn't need to hear the speech, so he was probably making arrangements for a post meeting hooker.
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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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08/08/11 11:54 AM
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They also blamed Tattaglia for starting the war by his inefficient murder attempt(s) on Vito. They felt that if he had been successful at the shooting, or later at the hospital, Sonny would have been forced to make a deal, and the war would have been averted. There's no question in my mind that Barzini arranged for the don from Detroit to make his speech which set the conditions for the compromise Vito was going to make. Barzini also must have told Tatt what he was up to and based on those conditions he would be forced to make the peace with Vito like it or not. Accordingly Tatt didn't need to hear the speech, so he was probably making arrangements for a post meeting hooker. Considering that the book talks about how close Vito and Don Zaluchi were I think it's highly unlikely that the speech was orchestrated by Barzini. It certainly furthered Barzini's ends, though.
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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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08/09/11 09:30 AM
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They also blamed Tattaglia for starting the war by his inefficient murder attempt(s) on Vito. They felt that if he had been successful at the shooting, or later at the hospital, Sonny would have been forced to make a deal, and the war would have been averted. There's no question in my mind that Barzini arranged for the don from Detroit to make his speech which set the conditions for the compromise Vito was going to make. Barzini also must have told Tatt what he was up to and based on those conditions he would be forced to make the peace with Vito like it or not. Accordingly Tatt didn't need to hear the speech, so he was probably making arrangements for a post meeting hooker. Considering that the book talks about how close Vito and Don Zaluchi were I think it's highly unlikely that the speech was orchestrated by Barzini. It certainly furthered Barzini's ends, though. I don't see why that speech couldn't have been orchestrated by Barzini who virtually controlled the Commission by that point. He could've said to Zaluchi that "drugs are going to happen whether you like it or not, perhaps you can help me convince Don Corleone." The problem is that the film doesn't highlight any such prior relationship between Corleone and Zaluchi.
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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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08/09/11 10:49 AM
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I don't see why that speech couldn't have been orchestrated by Barzini who virtually controlled the Commission by that point. He could've said to Zaluchi that "drugs are going to happen whether you like it or not, perhaps you can help me convince Don Corleone." The problem is that the film doesn't highlight any such prior relationship between Corleone and Zaluchi. The speech by Zaluchi in the film is taken directly out of the novel. If it was orchestrated by Barzini, Puzo would've mentioned it. Puzo states that "Zaluchi disapproved of traffic in drugs" and that Vito "could count on Zaluchi for support." Doesn't mean that you're theory isn't plausible though.
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Re: During the Commission Meeting in I
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08/09/11 11:37 AM
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It could be one of the things in the novel that is left to the reader to interpret themselves. Was the passage about Zaluchi being against drugs and that the Don could count on him for support before he made the speech? It's stated by Puzo when Zaluchi arrived at the meeting in the beginning of that chapter. Then a few pages further he makes his speech. I don't remember if Brando showed anything in his acting that suggests that he was taken aback by Zaluchi's speech. I did note that Tattaglia almost had a smirk on his face following Zaluchi's face though.
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