and, the republicans wonder why they can't find a 'suitable' front runner

I don't see Christie as anyone's VP.

She's in charge of fact checking for the Bachman campaign.

Bachmann is just part of a GOP plan to make Palin look intelligent.

They could have used a chimp and gotten the same results.

What do you have against chimps!

Just for fun!

Move On is posting this video comparing it to the Republican response to...well... everything.

Gotta love Groucho!

TIS

Courts - POLITICS
Appeals Court Dismisses Virginia's Challenge to ObamaCare - Published September 08, 2011 FoxNews.com

A federal appeals court on Thursday rejected Virginia's challenge to President Obama's health care law, saying in a ruling the state doesn't have standing to bring a lawsuit

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/.../#ixzz1XNcza0tn

It's a ridiclous lawsuit.

Yes, the plan is flawed. But it is well intended, and better than anything the previous administration was able to put together (not that they tried, anyway).

Good speech last night. Maybe he'll grow a spine after all.

Yeah, I thought he came off great, with a reasonable plan. But the far righties are going to vote against it no matter what.

He must have said "both Republicans and Democrats have voted on similar bills before" ten times. It's like he's constantly reminding himself to bend over backwards for the Far Right. He shouldn't bother. They're never going to accept him anyway. Never. Ever. Ever.

So I say fuck them all and stop trying to appease people who will never be appeased (unless he can change the color of his skin, because that's what it's really all about for more than half of these clowns).

I agree PB.

Btw, did the R's look a tad uncomfortable during the speech?? Also, I'm very leery but Boehner almost seemed like he'd be willing to listen but then Cantor on the other hand says "he's (Obama) has gotta get off his all or nothing approach." Say what?

TIS

I watched the post speech coverage on FOX just for shits and giggles. It was better than SNL .

Even more amusing was Megyn Kelly's interview of Palin this morning about the President's speech.

You know, we really need Apple in on this.

Can people (without some sort of drastic life changing event) change who they are past a certain point-say early twenties or so?

In NYT magazine a few weeks back there was a review of a book about PBO's Mom. The author describes their life in Indonesia in which PBO was verbally and physically harassed by Indonesian school kids and didn't respond. Someone asked his mother wasn't she gonna do something and she replied "Oh no. He'll be ok. He's used to it".

So if a refusal to get mad, take offense or start swinging back is deeply embedded in the man and he's mostly seen that approach work thru life, can he change at this point in his life? Would he even know how?

Lilo, I think one has to be more more discreet when discussing change. Changes of basic personailty or, as some would same, of heart are probably infrequent without a significant intervening event. However, behavior is a different story. You may have the most hostile thoughts on the planet, but if you act nicely, so what.

It's usually a good idea to play the percentages as long as one recognizes that nothing is 100%. If you are willing to adjust when things are less than 100%, then that can be considered change at any stage of life. Of course, as you indicate by your question, one has to recognize when what you are used to doing may not work this time. Some don't recognize that.

I encourage ya'll to read this article. It's about Pennsylvania's possible change to allocating its Electoral College votes by congressional district. That would copy Nebraska's and Maine's way of doing it. If PA does it, it could start a trend. If so, it will give Republicans an advantage in presidential elections

I know that many of you may not understand how the College works, but this would be an opportunity for you to read up on it.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44540963

VERY interesting, Oli.

That move could easily hand Pennsylvania to the Republicans.

Lupica really nailed it today.

President Obama needs to get America out of economic mess before Republicans get him

Mike Lupica, NY Daily News

Sometimes you think that Barack Obama's job has been Candidate in Chief, as if he went straight from the last campaign to this one, never stopping in between to actually be President of the United States. It is one of the reasons why he is in the trouble he is in, and not only because of an economy that has gotten worse on his watch.

But there is another problem for Obama, even if you are one of the people who believes he was and is a much better candidate than he has been a President, the way Jimmy Carter was:

Obama is a reasonable man in an increasingly toxic and unreasonable political world, where the only plan from the other side, from the time he got into office, has been to get him out of office. Mitch McConnell said it early for the Republicans, and nothing has changed since.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President," McConnell said.

Not fix the economy, or health care, or Iraq. Fix this guy in the White House, but good.

It is why Obama better step it up now if he wants to keep his job. That doesn't mean he has to go at his opponents the way they go at him, in Congress, on cable America, in the radio world of the Limbaughs, and with anybody else with the crackpot idea that this President has some anti-American agenda.

But one of these days he needs to come hard at the people constantly coming at him, and not merely with a jobs plan that sounds more like the first draft of one. Really the President needs to say this about his opponents, and without TelePrompTing:

"They would rather beat me than help you."

He has no chance of saving himself with a jobs plan that sounds like some kind of slapped-together first draft. But what he needs to sell is something that will work, and that means the new tax he is expected to propose this morning - what is being called the Warren Buffett Rule - on people in this country making more than a million dollars a year.

Unless you think that spending cuts alone are going to get America out of the fix it is in. Unless you now think it is now against the law in America for the rich to pay their true fair share.

Obama is jumped for this tax plan before it is even formally announced, of course. As if the idea of added taxes for the rich make him even more of an enemy of the state than he already is. But that is the reality of Obama's situation. He is up against people who think their job is to make sure he loses his. No matter what the cost.

"A political move," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) says on CNN Sunday.

"Class warfare," Graham says.

Yeah, sure it is. When Ronald Reagan, now the patron saint of everything good and noble and right in America, raised taxes, people like Graham must have thought it was some sort of sacrament.

Bush and Cheney, who somehow still get treated as heroes, thought it was a sensational business practice to start wars without raising taxes, and would have brought back troops from Baghdad to protect the rich. It is absolutely one of the reasons we are where we are, and why Obama should have come forward with something like the Buffett Rule a long time ago, and not needed to use the old man from Omaha as cover. The idea that taxing the rich will further stagnate this economy has always been a lie, no matter who tells it, and no matter how often.

And by the way? None of this means Obama has been a great President, because he hasn't. Because the country has lost jobs on his watch, because there is more pessimism about the future in this country than at any other time in my lifetime, even with the young, even with all the first-time voters who bought into the soaring language and high ideas of Obama's campaign and helped elect him in the first place.

You want to go after this President on the way he handled health care, go ahead. Call him out on Israel this week when he gets to the United Nations, and his record on jobs, and the way he too often has seemed like speeches instead of solutions. Knock yourself out.

But the money he needs to get the country out of this has to come from somewhere. The President now tries to get it from people who can afford it. Before they get him.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz1YPL1ZLtj

He needs to stop allowing other people to define him. Good lord.....imagine Rick Perry with Supreme COurt appointments?

I'm trying my best to not imagine Rick Perry at all.

Not that this really means anything necessarily but Ron Paul just won the straw poll here in California. I didn't know we even had a straw poll.

I don't think he will win but at least here in CA, I have noticed he has very strong support among his base.


TIS

Obama is looking stronger then I have seen him in a while. I hope Congress passes both the American Jobs Act and his budget plan.

It is beyond ironic to read that Pat Boone is calling someone a fraud. What a country. Gotta love it.
Pat Boone insists Obama born in Kenya

thanks for bringing this up, i have another name to add to my 2012 dead pool list

That is too funny! You think he would have learned that this issue makes the accusers look like morons. He is just another nut case.

Really? Pat BOONE? He's credible now?

Hey Patrick, how ya doing?

I just saw that ad this afternoon. Did you know that the TeaParty is asking to see Buffet's tax returns now. I understand however, that he already showed them on Charlie Rose show. These people are "show me the paper" hungry."


TIS

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20110237-503544.html

Hey TIS, doing good. Just working a lot. Actually have a sinus infection right now, but besides that I am great. Looking forward to the elections this year. Time for America to stand up for change again or to go down the same path that got us into this mess.