what about new orleans and cleveland families ?

i heard the cleveland mob was defunct for a time but after this made guy came out of prison he started running rackets with assistance from the genovese family but i dont know if these guys rebuild the clan.

and the family wich is the most stable outside of ny or probably whole the states is probably in detroit. read at the fivefamiliesblog that made men were required to marry relatives of other made men so the chanse of ratting or rebelling against the family would be minimum.

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i heard the cleveland mob was defunct for a time but after this made guy came out of prison he started running rackets with assistance from the genovese family but i dont know if these guys rebuild the clan.

and the family wich is the most stable outside of ny or probably whole the states is probably in detroit. read at the fivefamiliesblog that made men were required to marry relatives of other made men so the chanse of ratting or rebelling against the family would be minimum.

... required to marry relatives of other made men so the chanse of ratting or rebelling against the family would be minimum.

I'm seeking information on all crime families out of New York , how many are, how made members they have, and which are active and which have become extinct.I Know families active in Detroit,Kansas City,Cleveland etc anyone know how many made man have the rizzuto Family?

Some of them must still have crews in Florida. Vincent Artuso was down there for the Gambinos, but I he's in jail right now.

I wonder if Philly potentially could go under over the next decade? Quite a few top guys will be convicted next year, and there aren't many made guys around, though I know there are a lot of associates. Surely the outfit and Boston is stronger than the current Philly mob??

its my understanding that the fed feel there is only 11 active families left and u can put them in 3 tiers.

Tier 1 is the five NY families

Tier 2 is chicago, new england, philly and new jersey

Tier 3 would be detroit and buffalo

In other areas cleveland, tampa, LA and other places there mayb some Italian OC still remaining. Made fuys working together but they dont have the manpower or the structure needed to qualify as a official family

how many crews does the outfit and patriarca's have?

The total remaining membership of the entire LCN in America is estimated to be about 1,000. At least 85% of that is in the northeast, with 70% belonging to the five NY families alone. Figuring in round numbers, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and maybe Chicago each have about 50 members. Buffalo and Detroit each have about 25. Cleveland, Kansas City, Tampa, and Los Angeles each have about 10. Pittsburgh and St. Louis maybe 5 each. Only a few, if that, elsewhere in places like NE PA, New Orleans, Milwaukee, etc. Sal Vitale testified the Rizzutos had 19 guys who were made members of the Bonanno family. But obviously that wasn't the entire organization.



The Gambinos have had the most activity in Florida over the past decade. Cases involving Tony Pep Trentacosta, Ronnie Trucchio, Vinny Artuso, and John Gotti Jr. and their crews to name a few. The Bonannos had cases involving TG Graziano and Gerry Chilli, as well as Thomas Fiore who was a part of Chilli's crew. The Genovese had the Ruggiero crew bust, as well as the Miami ILA locals that were part of the 2005 RICO complaint against the union. The Colombos had some activity in the early part of the decade, with cases involving Joey Rutunno and a pump and dump stock scam tied to Wild Bill Cutolo, but nothing as of late. And basically nothing involving the Luccheses.

Well I think that outside of New York, there are some Families that are stable organizations that represent Cosa Nostra, or meet the criteria for RICO. In Philadelphia you had Joe Ligambi and a sound Administrstion. This Ligambi organization might go down as one of the most successful after all the plea deals for lesser sentences. I think the only one that is going to really get scorched is Joe Massimino after the state nails him for drugs on top of his federal sentence. Plus the Ligambi organization showed it could murder to silence anyone that proved detremental to the organization. If Ligambi and his guys did not get indicted and taken off the street with all these Merlino and Scarfo guys comin out, this Family definately would be a force to reckon with, they would have swept back New Jersey, and moved elswhere. The Outfit is obviously to me the most stable organization right now at the present time. John Difronzo has a sounder administration than Ligambi put together, plus the Chicago guys have loyal young blood and soldiers to do the dirty work, while all the older top bosses like Difronzo sit on their legitimate businesses. Plus Difronzo's administration are mostly Family, and lifelong friends. This family is so stable the FBI does not know how many members are bosses it has, it's really profit focused and low-key. In Boston the Patriarcas are pretty sound but seem to not be able to get things really organized. The reason being is that the men at the top were for years soldiers and muscle, and dont really have the finess and business savy mindset to make large amounts of money. The days of shaking down restraunters and bookmakers are over unless you have a large amount of manpower behind you. But I think the Patraircas were in good shape 10 years ago, they had a stable administration in Luigi Manocchio and Carmen Dinunzio. Both guys well respected and earners, one from the old Raymond Patriarca days, to a guy that came up under Tony Spilotro in Las Vegas. But after them there a group of wiseguys who made their money the traditional way, and the family has young blood, but not the type of blood to open legitemate businesses or run stock scams, they just terrorize people for cash. But the Patriarcas have alot of guys on the street, but Mark Rossetti flipping is going to diminish the family greatly. In New Jersey the Decalvalcante's remian a reckoned with LCN Family with an old school Sicilian Francesco Guarraci running the show, who reportedly takes alot of orders from John Riggi who mis doing life, and Guarraci has Joe Miranda at his side, a proven guy. For years New York and Philly crouched their turf, but in the last 8 years that has been a problem for outside Families in North Jersey. I give this Family credit, they lost most of their members in 2003 in that huge mob case that yielded alot of convictions and rats, but the Family reportedly has about 60 strong on the street with hundreds of associates, currently they outnumber the Philly, Boston, and Detroit guys by a hundred lengths. Detroit is very low key, but from what I read they are stable and very much active in the Cosa Nostra circles, we have to remember that this is a secret society, the Families are not giving anything away we and law enforcment have to try to figure it out, I know Detroit is stable and has contacts across the country for a lot of things, and I would say the same for Buffalo as well. Now the Cleveland, K.C, and Milwaukee crews according to an FBI report released a few years ago were reporting to the Outfit in Chicago. Whatever remains in those locations reports to Chicago and falls under the Outfits umbrella as what was documented.

With Chicago, New England, as well as New Jersey and Philadelphia, you're probably looking at around 3 or 4 crews each.

in the january mob bust they indicted a colombo capo out of florida who had some activities down there, he sounded liek a young sicilian guy