You can measure range, sure. But range is one, out of the many things, that makes you a good singer. Just 'cause Ruben doesn't go off into feedback solos with his voice, doesn't make Clay better. Again, different styles. Clay can go off with high pitches and what not; but do you for a second think he can do a low pitch? I haven't heard him; but I've heard Ruben do it. It's all style, and different ranges. Ruben has the low type R&B voice, Clay has the high pitched... Whatever you call it -- Broadway -- voice.

Making excuses for being out of breathe? You don't care if he's three hundred fifty pounds? Then you shouldn't complain about that. Big people get tired faster... The guy is big; so the guy runs out of breathe and sweats. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. THAT, my friend, is a fact, and not an opinion.... And it most certainly is not an excuse. Bigger people sweat and run out of breathe quicker... It's a fact; and it's not an excuse, nor opinion.

There are R&B singer with vocal range, of course. Shit like Destiny's Child, WHICH I HATE... Where they go off in feedback solos. I don't like that... That's NEW R&B, I don't like that. Maybe that's why I like Ruben so much. He's more like an old fashioned R&B, which I like, more than this new R&B shit. He can hit those low notes, as I've heard him. Music isn't all about singing so high that it cracks glass.

Thank you, you just proved my point! smile Ruben is an adorable teddy bear, with talent. So how in the BLUE HELL are you going to say he's not gonna get anywhere; or his success won't last? You better damn well know it was last! mad wink tongue Everyone loves the guy, and he has talent... What's that mean? Ruben will be a huge success, get far... And last long. And he won't be back in his church within a year. I, though, got into this show because of VOCAL TALENT. You saying Clay is better suited for talk shows and shit is EXACTLY WHAT I HATE. I hate this whole personification with image. It's about the MUSIC, and not who makes a better talk show guest. Ruben is a good singer, as is Clay... That's why they are good... And not because Ruben is big and soft, and not because Clay improved his image. It's about music, not image.

Yes, America has picked their winner; and it's Ruben. Though, you sound like you hate him. frown Be nice! grin

As for the bet... I'd say fifty bucks? That sound good? Not too high, not too low. Just a small bet so I can prove ya wrong. smile

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