0 registered members (),
1,067
guests, and 23
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,336
Posts1,085,982
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,160 55 minutes ago
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615353
09/22/11 04:43 PM
09/22/11 04:43 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: IvyLeague]
#615395
09/23/11 03:38 AM
09/23/11 03:38 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City? No, Kansas City was it's own family. But they, like other families west of Chicago, were answerable to the Outfit. What about today? Are they on their own? Or do they kick some money up to Chicago for protection? I read somewhere that St. Louis is just like that today.
Last edited by LuanKuci; 09/23/11 03:45 AM.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615397
09/23/11 03:47 AM
09/23/11 03:47 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 840
BarrettM
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 840
|
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers. Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places. EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something. With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: BarrettM]
#615398
09/23/11 04:13 AM
09/23/11 04:13 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers. Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places. EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something. With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization. Thanks for the info Barrett. For some reason, I'm trying to dig into these Mid-West families. Kansas City has been showing signs of activity. There was a bg discussion not long ago btw Ivy and joe_dice over the guys over there. Definitely not the 6th family...but still hanging. What about St. Louis? I couldn't find anything reliable on-line. What you'll find is either super outdated or simply made up.
Last edited by LuanKuci; 09/23/11 04:17 AM.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615402
09/23/11 05:29 AM
09/23/11 05:29 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,499 naples,italy
furio_from_naples
|

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,499
naples,italy
|
http://realdealmafia.com/stlouischart.htmlBoss: Anthony "Nino" Parrino - Age: 71, Installed: October 1997 Underboss: Vincent "Vince" Giordano - Age 70's, Likely replaced Joseph Cammarata “Consigliere: Giacomo "Jackie" Parrino - Age: 75, Made: 1999, Installed: 2001 Capos/Street BossesCapo: Vincent "Shotgun Vinny" Cammarata - Age: 54, Nephew of Joseph Cammarata Capo: Frank "Big Frank" Palozzolo - Age: 62, Made: 1981 Soldiers Joseph "Uncle Joe/Joe C" Cammarata - Age: 83, Underboss/Semi-retired Fernando "Nondo" Bartolotta - Age: 50, Made in 1981 with Frank Palozzolo and Matthew Trupiano Antonio "Tonio" Lopiccolo - Age 53, Eastside Operator Philip "Philly" Palozzolo - Age: 55, Brother of Frank Palozzolo Michael "Mike" Palozzolo - Age: ?, Brother of Frank Palozzolo Richard "Rich" Bommarito - Age: 58 Joseph "Joe" Bommarito - Age: ? Anthony "Tony Olives" Olivastro - Age: 62 Joseph Panneri - Age: 44 James Catellano - Age: 56 Anthony "Tony L" Lopiparo - Age: 50 Anthony "Tony" Tocco - Age: 55, Son of Associate Peter Tocco Joseph "Joe" Tocco - Age:?, Official in LIUNA Local 53 Angelo Copo - Age:39, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent Benedetto Geremia - Age: 63, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent AssociatesPeter Tocco - Age: 78 Anthony James Lopiparo, Jr - Age: 70 Daniel Drago - Associate of Bartolotta Leo Pisciotta - Relative of former Conigliere Joseph Pisciotta Leo Bartolotta - Age: 46, Brother of Fernando and son of Salvatore "The Tailor" Bartolotta Thomas Consiglio - Associate of Bartolotta Timothy Hinton - Age: 30's, Associate of Bartolotta Robert Trask - Age: 35, Associate of Bartolotta http://americanmafia.com/Cities/St_Louis.html“Not that the so-called mob here was any great shakes. It was strictly minor league,” stated one police officer, asking not to be identified. “We never had mainliners; here they came under the jurisdiction of Chicago. Even Kansas City had more of a mob, and more muscle than St. Louis.” – St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 19, 1997.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615492
09/23/11 06:58 PM
09/23/11 06:58 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581 Orange County, CA
Nicholas
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581
Orange County, CA
|
That list on St. Louis seems way out of figure, and who's that guy Nino Parrino?
Kansas City is a dozen or so guys running illegal bookmaking and not paying taxes on earnings. Mob type activity doesn't necessarily mean a Mafia like organized crime operation
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: joey_dice]
#615803
09/27/11 02:13 AM
09/27/11 02:13 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
Kansas city is somewhere between a family and a crew, they have a boss and underboss and about 13 or 14 made guys. They still conduct business other than just bookmaking, but it is limited and low key at best. They have been tied to an Arson for profit case involving the Hereford steak house, Vincent Pisciotta and Mark Sorrentino have been indicted. Of course they run the strip clubs here in town, and do a little sharking and a little contruction bid rigging. J.J. Sciortino is the reputed skip, right? Who's # 2? Thanks for the info Joey. Interesting indeed.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: BarrettM]
#615840
09/27/11 12:35 PM
09/27/11 12:35 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 119 Why youse being so nosy?
Palomita20
Made Member
|
Made Member
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 119
Why youse being so nosy?
|
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers. Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places. EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something. With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization. 
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615872
09/27/11 05:49 PM
09/27/11 05:49 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
joey_dice
joey_dice
|
joey_dice
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
|
The underboss is Pete Simone, he handles most of the day to day. His son Joe Simone is suspected in a casino murder here in town. Joe Simone owns several dance clubs in town and moves a lot of X through the clubs along with powder.
Last edited by joey_dice; 09/27/11 05:54 PM.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615874
09/27/11 05:56 PM
09/27/11 05:56 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
joey_dice
joey_dice
|
joey_dice
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
|
Just checking. 50\50...
Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011 Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011 Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012 William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012 James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?) Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012 James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012 Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too. Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011 Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011 Dicapo got more time because he was also convicted of trafficing in counterfit merchanise like Prada purses, they found 400,000 dollars worth of the fake merchandise when they conducted the gambling raid. He pled guilty to both.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#615945
09/28/11 04:17 PM
09/28/11 04:17 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581 Orange County, CA
Nicholas
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581
Orange County, CA
|
Joey, what about the Galloping Goose MC, how does KC's gambling rackets interfere with the KC family and the notorious motorcycle gang?
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: joey_dice]
#615946
09/28/11 04:25 PM
09/28/11 04:25 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
I grew up with them in the Neighborhood, went to school with some and have met others through friends and I have done business with some others over the years. My Uncle was a made guy with the Civella crew back in the Nick Civella era, did time for Corky Civella in 81. My father, uncle and I used to go to the city market and visit Nicks fruit market when I was real young, always got great oranges LOL. My uncle name is Paul Varsalona. WOW. I bet this expains it all. Nice. Let's keep an eye on this guys then.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#616023
09/29/11 12:48 PM
09/29/11 12:48 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
joey_dice
joey_dice
|
joey_dice
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
|
Columbas park is still Italian but the Asians are moving in. There are still several Italian businesses there with connections. Garrozo's resturant, Lasale deli and Jimmy Moretina's pizza and bar is located there. They stopped using socail clubs when the trap located at 5th and troost was wire tapped and resulted in several convictions, it was known as the trap but it was offically the Northside Social club. Most family business is now conducted north of downtown in North KC, this is where they all live now days and they own numberous businesses up there, its in clay county not jackson county and it is where a lot of the Italians from the old neighborhood moved when the moulies and Asians started moving in. The river market, formally known as the river quey is alive and well and the family has a lot of businesses there mostly bars and resurants.
Last edited by joey_dice; 09/29/11 12:49 PM.
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#616032
09/29/11 02:38 PM
09/29/11 02:38 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581 Orange County, CA
Nicholas
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 581
Orange County, CA
|
Joey Dice, thanks a million man, you're the Ivy of the KC situation. Though I've always believed there's no way in hell that the KC 'crew' has more than 20 operating guys.
Oh, and thanks a MILLION for the Galloping Goose info. Recently been fascinated by them, though they started in LA until going out to KC, until I watched Gangland, lol....
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: LuanKuci]
#616167
09/30/11 07:13 PM
09/30/11 07:13 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
LuanKuci
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,526
|
|
|
|
Re: KC guys out...(almost)...
[Re: Palomita20]
#616189
10/01/11 03:56 AM
10/01/11 03:56 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 840
BarrettM
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 840
|
Riveting tale, man. If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?
Last edited by BarrettM; 10/01/11 03:58 AM.
|
|
|
|