And if anyone is that curious, I'd refrain from asking a Sicilian if he's black.

blond people in sicily are very little the vast majority are dark
you can find more blond and even red in campania
in north italy the average of blond people is higher by far than south

Now mind you, I'm speaking of the American mob. I''d be willing to bet that, over the years, at least one guy who's family came from north of Rome slipped through the cracks.

blond people in sicily are very little the vast majority are dark
you can find more blond and even red in campania
in north italy the average of blond people is higher by far than south

aniello dellacroce was southern italian aniello is a name used in southern italy only

It is grammatically incorrect in Italian (like I said, in Italian it sounds like "the our thing"). I'm guessing the American guys who use it don't know the Italian language all that well. The Sicilians would have never said "la" to begin with.

I think the FBI may have actually been the first to use the "la", but I'm not sure why. Nonetheless, the mistake seems to have become permanent.

I just remembered - wasn't it Gotti who was caught on a bug complaining about people mentioning the name "La Cosa Nostra" and that the FBI would jump on just "La"?

Anyone that says that Southern Italians\Italian-Americans have a "mob-gene" is sadly delusional.

Anyone that says that Southern Italians\Italian-Americans have a "mob-gene" is sadly delusional.

You've made those kind of blanket statements before without taking variables into account. I think Lilo's right, or at least there's a high chance.

Once again, just because a certain name has a certain origin does not mean it cannot be used by anyone living outside the area. FWIW, Id take Lilo's opine into more account.

Like Lilo mentioned, Im sure there's more.

m2w, do you have actual proof that Crea, Leo etc etc are southerners through and through, or do you make those claims because you simply believe "no northerner was ever made into the mafia"?

As I said earlier, I dont believe its some mafia gene inherent only in southern Italians that precludes northern Italian-American criminals from being able to be gangsters.

To clarify, Im not claiming that there's inducted northerners in Italy itself. But the American dynamic is very different, the melting pot theory is well documented.

i never claim there is a 'mafia-gene', the question is that the mafia is a south italy phenomen and you have to be born inside this mentality, completely different from north italian one
even tony senter was not made because north italian, imagine the others

I agree with you. It's not a mafia gene. But it is the mentality of the southern people that they are born with.

I dont know why people are arguing with you on this with the northern people not being made, I thought it was common knowledge.

Pretty funny that the people of northern Italy supposingly look down on the southerners as second class citizens and the people of southern Italy look down on the northeners as not being up to snuff for their criminal world.

Do i have that correct Miss Carmela?

FYI, Im of the opinion that Tony Senter was never made for the same reason that Joey Testa was not; they were in prison for life before they really got anywhere above being DeMeo's muscle. Also, they were both creepy fucks. Not that the last one precludes induction, but I think if they'd had another few years on the streets, at least Testa would've been made. Maybe even Senter.

Yeah, that was Gotti. Those were the apartment tapes. If I remember correctly, he was in a tirade about guys getting caught on tape using the words cosa nostra. He said something to the effect that "if they even get caught saying 'la' they're going."

Of course the irony is that Gotti put more words on tape than the Beatles.

In all seriousness this is why I haven't been posting lately.

What's happened to this forum.