Or one could say the "Mark of Cain."

The media is having conniptions today. They don't want to report Cain is leading in the polls.





TIS

In the latest PPP poll, Perry lost 22 points since the last poll. How many has Romney gained in the new poll? ZERO.

Herman Cain tops Mitt Romney for president in 2012 among GOP voters: poll

BY Aliyah Shahid, DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Tea Party favorite Herman Cain is steamrolling his way to the top.

The Republican presidential candidate has surpassed former frontrunner Mitt Romney among GOP voters, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

According to the survey, the ex-Pizza business magnate is the No.1 choice among 27% of Republicans compared to 23% for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry plummeted to third place, dropping to 16% from 38% in August.

While the survey of 336 voters has a margin of error of 5.35 percentage points, it's the second poll this week showing Cain on top.

According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, Cain leads Romney 30% to 22%. That survey has a margin of error of 4.5 percentage points.

Both polls were taken before Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate, in which Cain's GOP competition blasted his 9-9-9 tax plan to solve the country's economic woes.

Cain, who has never held elected office, says he would scrap the progressive federal income tax in favor of a 9% flat income tax for all Americans.

The plan would also slash the corporate tax rate to 9% - big corporations are currently taxed at 35%. And it would introduce a new 9% national sales tax - an addition to the state or city sales taxes that Americans already pay.

Critics say the plan would punish the lower class and would raise less money than the current tax code.

But in follow-up interviews, voters who supported Cain told MSNBC that part of the ex-talk radio show host's appeal - unlike his competition - is that he isn't a career politician.

"He has common sense answers and is in touch with the heartbeat of America," said one.

"Cain gives direct answers. He is succinct. He isn't a politician," added another.

We seem to waste alot of posting space repeating posts about statistical information from the same poll results.

We're possibly on the cusp of history here, where a former Pizza CEO could become President.

Or at the least, make '12 officially the worst election ever in American history for racists.

He's spoken!



Ding dong...

My God, who would Archie Bunker vote for?

True. However, I posted the WSJ/NBC poll results about noon today followed by yours and PB's posting of them also within the following 60 minutes or so. Perhaps Board members should consider limiting their quotes of news articles to just a few lines of the article instead of posting all or most of the article) and then providing a link to the article. That way more posts would appear on the screen.

We'll try.



A protest vote for Newt.

Christie did not run because he did not want anymore digging around into his connection to the Genovese family in Jersey, specifically that his aunt is married to Tino Fumeria (not sure of the spelling).

If and when people truly realize what his tax plan would mean for Social Security and Medicare his numbers will drop. I've also noticed that his grasp on facts isn't too tight and he tends to take questions very personally. I'm going to say there'll be a new front runner in a month or so.

Yes Lilo, I noticed that about him too. He seems to have a thin skin.

Romney-Rubio ..........bet on it.

Don't laugh, DT, but I think that would be a pretty formidable ticket for the GOP.

By the way, don't forget that there's another Republican debate on the 18th, CNN.

I wonder if Cain furnishes free pizza to his campaign staff.

Agreed. It gets Fla for Romney and cuts into the Latino vote everywhere, which Obama needs in great force to squeak by in swing states.

That would be hilarious, considering Romney reclaimed his front-runner status by burning Perry on his immigration policy.

That's a fair point, Ronnie. The thing is, many Latinos want to be able to vote conservative. A good portion of them are Christian and very religious, so falling into the Evangelical Right isn't that much of a stretch for them. They just don't want to vote for a wingnut like Perry. The overwhelming majority of anti-Castro Cubans in Florida will embrace a moderate Republican, especially "one of their own," like Rubio. Plus, Rubio will appeal to Latinos (not just Cubans) everywhere.

With that logic, McCain should've won that vote in '08. But he didn't. Why?

Because that party, whether the prospective nominee is actively serious in their politics or not, is run by the base...and that base screams and shouts at anything that is seen as being "friendly" to za immigrantz. Or for that matter, states like Arizona taking the issue to solve themselves, actively cheerleaded by Fox News. You might want to agree with them on abortion or hating the gays or whatever, but if you're treated like a criminal and pulled over to be questioned about your citizenship simply because of your skin color...why the hell would you support those assholes?

Dubya at one point was onto something perhaps. He had the highest Latino voting % for a GOP candidate ever in 2004, and he sought to destroy that Democratic voting bloc by passing Immigration Reform. But then the base (mostly Southwest/Rocky mountain) reacted like someone gaped them in the middle of the night, and that effort crashed and burn. So loud, so viotile that reaction, McCain and the party as a whole got tainted. Even though McCain was one of the leading figures for Reform, that did him zero good and he ran away from that shit like the plague in the '08 primaries.

It's the same reason why Republicans have never been able to break the loyal American Jewish voting bloc from the Democratic Party, despite supposed logic and demographics and whatever numbrs Karl Rove has. On paper, something issues could attract cross-over votes but ultimately, if your party is seen as being against you and your interests and just filling up your ass with gas, you won't support them.

(Recent example: Congress wanting to cut U.S. funding to the Palestinian Authority over the U.N. affair, which Israel pleaded no. But if the House GOP had its way, it would be severed. Even against the wishes of said ally they're supposedly allied with because of religion. More Pro-Israel than Israel.)

Did McCain have a Latino running mate?

You know, Ronnie, just looking at the big picture doesn't make you a bad Democrat.

Again with that logic, McCain should've won the female vote in '08. He did not.

It all depends on the situational circumstances.

That said, Rubio is a very logical pick. Whatever it would work or not, who knows? Maybe?

Yeah, I guess. But Sarah was/is the anti-feminist .

The next POTUS singing about Pizza.

(Did John get royalties?)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/10/17/herman-cain-sings-an-ode-to-pizza.html

Ok, Cain actually doesn't have a bad voice BUT don't be messin' with Lennon music.



TIS

So when confronted about his state's high uninsured rate, Perry blamed it on illegal immigration. If he did get the nomination, that's some good ammo right there.

Not quite "Corporations are people!", but at least the guy is honest about his pandering.

That's why in job interviews and depositions it is often a very good idea to only answer the question that was asked.

Cain's evasive answers on abortion rights and his rise in the polls have caused some conservatives to take a closer look at him. And some aren't happy.






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