Yeah thats what I was referring to. There's still not a lot out there on it as yet.



I think the Calabrians are proliferating at a faster pace. Over the last decade or so, they've expanded exponentially compared to the pace LCN had before their eventual decline in the States.

On another note, there's a similar (NOT identical, Im not juxtaposing the situation in the two countries) issue in Australia where Italian-Australian gangsters are automatically lumped together with Ndrine elements or named as "mafia members". While the two are not mutually exclusive, they are often independant notions.

Exactly........but then again, the Ndrangheta will go where they have a community and relatives and the biggest concentration of Calabrians outside Europe are traditionally found in Canada and Australia.

The first wave of immigrants and criminals gave way to families like the Violi, Cotroni,Luppino etc. Also to note is the expansion of the ndrangheta is linked to their peace treaty after the 2nd war in the early 90s. Once the war was over, the province of Reggio Calabria was divided into three specific geographical ares. That's when the ndrine expanded all over Europe and abroad, brokering cocaine instead of buying it from the Sicilians.

I've always found this fascinating, in the States Italian born criminals are far more likely to work with American born Italian-American criminals when they arrive than their Commonwealth emigrating cousins. Italian criminals work independently and with loyalties based on family and local customs. Native born Italian-Canadians and the differences of Italians in Montreal. Same with Melbourne. With the exception of the strictly Sicilian Cherry Hill Gambinos, Italians emigrating to the states are more likely to work with their American born counterparts than other Italian immigrants and their native born Australians and Canucks.

On an American level it shows how arrivals here will throw off old country loyalties much quicker

I don't think thats true, from what i have gathered Lorenzo Lopresti was close with Agostino Cun-trera and Antonio Pietroantonio, both rizzuto loyalists no?

Correct. Also Giuseppe Lopresti was very very close to Vito Rizzuto. Nobody knows who was responsible exactly for killing him (giuseppe).

lo presti senior was killed by george sciascia and the rizzuto's, sciascia even asked the bonanno's before doing it

For fuck sake, show me something to prove this. A link, anything.
He was living next door to Rizzuto!!

what's the matter where he was living, in the mafia the best friend could kill you
george sciascia and the rizzuto's wanted lopresti senior dead

You said Sciascia KILLED LoPresti. I asked for a link, or any proof.

Ok forget where he was living, that is unimportant, you're right. But Giuseppe was the right hand of Rizzuto and you're telling me that Rizzuto had him killed and Sciascia pulled the trigger, am I right? Bullshit.

george from canada came to see me and he said that big joe was out of control, he was doing drugs
sciascia was saying that lopresti was dangerous and he had to be killed

there are words of ex bonanno member sal vitale

Of course, it is common knowledge that NY wasn't happy with LoPresti.

But still, this isn't proof that Rizzuto had him killed. This is just you talking and reading from Lamothe's 6th Family, and for me, that just isn't good enough. Nobody knows for sure.

according to vitale sciascia wanted him dead and he was very close to rizzuto

Who, Vitale or Sciascia? Vitale's been discredited. He was kept out of the loop for most real things.

I agree there's more to the LoPresti hit than is out as of now. But despite Lamoth and Humphries authoring a great read, a lot of their claims are considered hyperbolic.

this is not hyperbole, they are words of vitale
sciascia was close to rizzuto and he wanted lo presti dead so i suppose the rizzuto's knew it and they approved it

What I find interesting is how both Joe Lopresti and Sciascia were killed with absolutely no retaliation from Vito or his associates.

Authors like to describe the Montreal mob as incredibly powerful but from what I've heard on the streets, NYC always has and always will be more powerful

And what's that? What have you "heard on the streets"? What streets exactly are we talking about?

lopresti was killed by sciascia and rizzuto ny doesn't matter with it
sciascia was killed in ny and montreal could't do nothing to revenge it they have no power in ny

Mukremin..great job on the chart as always. Are the Rizzutos officially out of Montreal now? Who is running the show?

The Rizzuto's may not be running the show in Montreal anymore, but they are far from broke. With their on-going ties (including familial) to Caruana/Cun trera's they are global and still multi-millionaires many times over.

Yep, great read but it is blatant they greatly overestimate the Rizzuto's power and influence. Also in the book The Last Godfather, Massino tells Vitale straight up that the captains "hated him" and "didn't trust him" lol, hence he was kept out of the loop on issues of importance. This is the reason I am a little skeptical that the NY-Montreal alliance was severed after the Sciascia hit, as Vitale is the only person I have heard on the record say this.

Yah well Vitale and a few others came to Montreal shortly after the Sciascia hit. Would have been a perfect opportunity for retaliation. I always wondered why Vito didn't retaliate as I thought he and George went way back.