So what's the general consensus on this forum: republican or democrat?

Just wondering.

I am nowhere near conservative and wouldn't vote for any of the current Republican candidates. I think the President, though he is a Democrat, is just barely to the left of previous Republican Presidents like Nixon or Ford. I think President Obama is at heart what used to be called a Rockefeller Republican. The Republican Party of today has undergone a red shift to the Right compared even to Reagan and definitely compared to the seventies. Most folks overlook that.

And I mentioned before but what gets me about Cain is the way that he says something unclear or just plain wrong and in follow up answers manages to clearly imply that the questioner is stupid.

Just once I'd like to see a reporter say "Hold on there. I'm not the one that managed to say he was pro-choice AND pro-life in the same sentence!"

That's interesting to hear. I thought he was considered to be a "socialist". If I remember correctly this was said by one of our reporters in the States. But maybe he heard it from angry republicans.



Maybe that explains the existence of the tea party.

It's interesting to hear the opinions of Americans from themselves, instead of hearing it from journalists and other third parties.

The only people who call him a "socialist" are the right wig crazies. He is definitely a centrist. Keep in mind Nixon wanted to have a single payor health care plan more radical than what Obama passed.

Silly, right wing nonsense.

If you want to know if Obama is really a socialist, just ask a real socialist. They'd laugh at you and tell you that Obama is a capitalist pig.

By the way, did anyone see Joy Behar last night. Ann Coulter was on and part of her musings was that Repunlicans treat their blacks better than Democrats treat theirs.

Stop. Please. As far as I know, Coulter still has a lawn jockey in front of her house for good luck.

And speaking of luck, I'm surprised that Cain took it so well when she asked to rub his head.

CNN reports that a talk show host in Iowa and a Republican pollster there reported witnessing Cain making inappropriate comments in front of women at gatherings. There is also a third women alledging sexual harrassment.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-leak/

Cain is blaming Perry. What happened to "It's the liberal media"?

Cain is having it both ways. He's stating that Perry's campaign leaked the info. But, he's stating that it is the Democrats that are enjoying the accusations the most ... for racial reasons. How about that one!

Heard a few minutes ago on MSNBC that Republicans would rather have Obama a 2nd term than have Romney for two terms. Hard to believe. I KNOW they hate Obama but that much hate toward Romney too ?



TIS

Yeah, Cain is a joke Olivant. He didn't know that China already had nuclear weapons.


He obviously knew about these incidents in his past. I don't know what really happened, if anything. I would have to hear from the accusers.

But it shows that Cain didn't prepare a response, gets paralyzed at anything approaching a follow up question, and has a bit of a temper when challenged even slightly. And yes he needs to stop the racial martyrdom nonsense. There's no such thing as racism...except when I'm being questioned. Right Herman.

If it was Perry though maybe that explains why he was so giddy the other day...

You know what's puzzling tho, up until yesterday, Cain's still leading in the polls.



TIS

I think Romney would be a tough sale for some conservatives TIS.
He is a bit of a flip flopper extraordinaire. Hardcore conservatives may worry about whether or not he would sell them out. The similarities between the Massachusetts Health Care Act and the Presidents Affordable Health Care act are bothersome to many conservatives.

The other issue which is mostly running under the surface but is nonetheless important to some (not all) evangelicals is that Romney is a Mormon. Most of the people who feel this way are likely in the lower Midwest or South , which would vote Republican anyway so it may not hurt Romney's chances in general election that much if he got the nomination.

So 5 women now Herman?

Yeah now it's over.

(Thing was, I think I might agree with him that Perry's people leaked this.)

If Perry's people leaked this, the question is from whom did they get the info.

Campaigns hire P.I.s to both investigate both their candidate's (potential) skeletons in the closet and dig up dirt on the competition.

I don't see Romney being behind this because there is no benefit for him if Cain topples. Hell it hurts him since Perry is a more believable nomination threat than Cain, and Perry is the one most to benefit. That is assuming his people were behind it, and we have no proof, only speculation.

Of course, maybe the GOP establishment did this to eliminate the "joke" fringe candidate out of the way before the primaries or maybe to help Romney's passage...I don't know.

I'm curious though. If Cain in polling does suffer for this gravehole he's digging for himself, who gets those votes? Perry? Newt? Bachmann?

Rick Perry's Genius PR Move

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...nto-virtue.html

So before Cain picked up his shovel and buried himself, Rasmussen polled GOP South Carolina, and Cain was winning by 10 over Mittens.

(New polling question: Above/Under 10 women come forward w/ accusations?)

Under 10.
9 women
9 complaints
in 9 different states....

9-9-9

This was a worthwhile read albeit long.
Handicapping Obama's Chances

Ill advised timing by Clinton. He could have waited until after the election next year to write this. But then again, Bubba hates being out of the spotlight .

A party divided? Former President Clinton rips Obama on debt ceiling, taxes

Bubba says Barack should have handled debt-ceiling debate differently

BY Jonathan Lemire
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Bill Clinton believes Barack Obama can get the country out of its current “mess” - but he also isn't shy about dishing out some tough love for the current occupant of the White House.

Clinton writes in a new book that the country was left “weak and confused” after the summer’s debt-ceiling debate debacle and puts some of the blame on Obama.

Clinton believes that Obama should have passed the debt increase before the Democrats lost control of Congress in 2010.

That embarrassing mid-term defeat could have been avoided, Clinton argues in the book entitled “Back to Work.”

“The Democrats did not counter the national Republican message with one of their own,” Clinton writes in the book, which is released Tuesday. The Associated Press obtained an advance copy.

“There was no national advertising campaign to explain and defend what they had done and to compare their agenda for the next two years with the GOP proposals,” writes Clinton, who claims he advocated for a clear message.

“We couldn’t persuade the decision makers to do so,” he writes.

The former president praises Obama’s for his work to pull the nation out of the deep recession - an economic crisis that Clinton blames firmly on the administration of George W. Bush.

Clinton, who frequently sparred with Obama when the then-Illinois Senator challenged Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential primaries, long ago softened his tone toward the Commander-in-Chief.

Clinton and Obama’s relationship has warmed in recent years, and the two men recently golfed together - a match that Obama won, officials said.

But Clinton has never been one to miss a chance to extol the accomplishments of his own administration and does so again in the new book.

He notes the economic growth and low unemployment rate during his eight years in office and claims that Wall Street bankers - many of whom have cooled on Obama - even allowed Clinton to raise their taxes.

“Many of them supported me...because I didn’t attack them for their success,” Clinton writes.

In the book, the former president makes several recommendations to turn the American economy around, including major investments in green energy and infrastructure improvements.

But he notes that it won’t be easy for Obama to persuade the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

“He has a tough hand to play,” Clinton writes.

He also suggests the country’s recovery has been slowed by the anti-government sentiment espoused by the Tea Party.

THE WOODLANDS, Texas (AP) — Republican presidential contender Herman Cain grew agitated with reporters after a debate with Newt Gingrich and is vowing to never answer questions about allegations of sexual harassment a decade ago.

Speaking after a one-on-one debate with rival Gingrich on Saturday, Cain cut off reporters who asked about allegations of sexual harassment and suggested journalists who wanted answers were behaving unethically.

When one reporter tried to ask a question about the allegations, Cain cut him off. When another asked him if he planned to never address the allegations, he replied "you got it."

The latest allegations against Cain are really more akin to assault than harassment. It's hard to believe that someone wouldn't have reported stuff like that at the time it happened.

On the other hand the fact that the accuser is willing to go public gives more credibility than anonymous whispers from the shadows.

Newt's surging in Iowa!

And Rick Perry is nowhere to be found.

Btw, did you see the SNL skit on Perry? Hilarious.



TIS

I'm surprised our own pizzaboy hasn't hyperventilated at seeing the madam ambulance chaser herself Gloria Allred up on that stage. You only hire her (or more like she hires herself to your cause) if good money and publicity is involved.

Of course that's besides the point in something like the Cain scandal. It's not so much incidental as much as reading the pattern that emerges. Said woman above who went in front of the cameras the other day may or may not be have been groped/assaulted by Mr. Cain. It's he said/she said, who knows?

But then you compound that with the four other accusers? There's a fire.

Of course a recent poll found that 70% of GOP primary voters claim that the Cain scandal has no impact on their vote. They don't give a crap. Which must explain why Cain hasn't lost his poll mojo so far.

According to her, "he reached under her skirt and reached for her genitals and then tried to pull her head to his crotch."


I can not imagine any woman willing to make a statement like that if it's not true. If she is lying she's really got a a lot of nerve and s/b punished, BUT if she isn't that is more of a sexual assault if you ask me. However, I understand it's too late to press criminal charges anyway AND you do have to wonder why she didn't in the first place.

Btw, FWY, yesterday it was reported that this woman is a registered Republican who last saw Cain at a Tea Party event not too long ago.


TIS