oh yeaa i remember reading that in gravanos book


thanks for posting

No worries.

I have enjoyed reading through your comments in this forum.

I think the problem with recruitment also is because of where these guys live. If you're a 5 families/ Decavalcante guy; you don't live in Ozone Park or Bay Ridge or North Ward Newark. These areas are majority ethnic, no hiring pool there. Today's made guys live in Caldwell or Rockland County or some other "nice" suburbia township. Your next door neighbor is an Insurance Salesman and your wife shops at Walmart. It's not like the old days where made guys lived in the areas they work. I think that has a big effect on recruiting or hiring or whatever you're gona call it.

I support the new generation of g's,why do you need to be a made man,its like a curse...

I agree, why join the losing team when you can build the Yankees on your own.

It's called assimilation, and you're right on the money.

lol turning down a button! very clever.

I'd say it is nowadays. Unless your not being sarcastic?

oh no sarcasm meant there. with rico and general heat and rats etc would be better to be a strong associate of course! v interesting

how about if the genovese offered you the button? they are the elite family after all?

Do Genovese guys NOT die in jail, too?

It's all subjective and all a matter of opinion anyway. But as one of the few guys on this site who's old enough to remember when having your button actually meant something, I'd have to say that you'd be out of your fucking tree to even consider it in this day and age.

haha true but they seem to not have any rats, so if any of the guys (idiots) who still want to get made had to choose they would be wisest to choose the elite family?

Being made puts you officially as a member of criminal organization, which can be used against you in a racketeering case. And why? To have respect? Buttons dont give u respect. Half the guys with buttons dont deserve them. Or so u can have a crew under you, that you can boss around and get "tribute" from? But guess what, now ur responsible for every action of the guys under u. Congrats ur now responsible for 10 roid junkies with short tempers. You can make money just about anyway, except maybe lending without being connected. You dont need to be made to have guys work for you. Im sure there are advantages but shit. A stripe is like an extra 10 yrs in prison.

older guy they called flip,,with jr. chilli turned it down..so did danny fama recently,

Yo bronx do you know if vinny dragonettis dad is a made guy too?

He's made for sure, Skin. And he just caught a huge break when he got sentenced a couple weeks ago .

Didn't Louis "Gigi the whale" Inglese turn down getting his button?

I noticed a few gambino guys caught a break and were sentenced to go help out with the hurricane sandy recovery efforts.

jus remember dat when youse operate on da buttons turf you gotta pay 40% on anyting made.

If the proper restrictions were taken they could really get things moving with recovery efforts by using not just Gambino's but other con's a shot at some legtimate work given they know what their doing.

Joerusso turned down a button.

Bout to say, if you throw too many wiseguys in a recovery effort you might get a few shady companies trying to get in on the cleanup.

His dad is?

They are already there without the wiseguys

Your point is well taken. But there are plenty of Italians still in Bay Ridge. Not like old days, but not completely gone like Newark or South Ozone.

Good stuff,

Not that he could be made but Jimmy Burke did very well as an associate but got pinched in the end anyway. Seams that today being made without all the tradition and honor of years ago must be a very difficult decision.

DP

Good point. A good associate can receive respect it would appear and earn a good amount of money without the other rigamarole. The need for being made seems to be more of a title thing than anything else.

Andrew Gigante is the perfect modern day example. Now granted, he's Chin's son. But Chin is dead going on 8 years now, and sentiment towards unmade sons in that life is generally very fleeting. After a year or so, no one gives a shit.

He never got straightened out because a) His father didn't want it for him, and b) he didn't want it for himself. And he's just as well respected today as he was the day his father died. That's very telling. He's a gentleman, a class act, and a very astute businessman. Why bother becoming a fucking wiseguy today? If he had taken his button ten or twenty years ago, with the last name Gigante, he'd probably be in fucking Marion today .

Now his half brother, the Esposito kid, does have his button. But I suspect that's because being the "illigitimate one," it made him feel like he had to get closer to his father. That's what I'd always heard, anyway. He didn't have to feel that way, though. I understand that Chin loved all of his kids the same (although I doubt he'd be too happy with his daughter's book ).

When Gotti Sr. told the Chin tha he was going to straighten out his son, didn't the Chin tell him, "Sorry to hear that John"

That family is set for life. Its like u need to be related to Chin just to be liscensed to repair containers in jersey