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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619671
11/07/11 01:49 PM 11/07/11 01:49 PM
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I don't think that Puzo/FFC giving Altobello the title of "Don" necessarily meant that he was a boss at all. It could have just been an affectionate or diplomatic gesture by Michael. Don't forget, in Part II, Young Vito initially addresses Signor Roberto as "Don Roberto." And in that case he was only being tactful.

The term could easily have been used by Michael on Altobello as a matter of diplomacy. Same way he told Roth, "there's much I can learn from you," he may have just been buttering the old guy up.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619673
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Don't forget that Don Tomsassino credits Altobello with keeping the peace between Sicilian and American Families.

While his role in the Mafia structure is unclear, he is clearly connected on a very high level and not just some buddy of Vito's.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: The Last Woltz] #619676
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Originally Posted By: The Last Woltz
While his role in the Mafia structure is unclear, he is clearly connected on a very high level and not just some buddy of Vito's.

I agree 100%, LW.

Altobello was clearly no bandleader! whistle

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619677
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True, we don't know Altobello's origins, but there are so many Trilogy characters whose origins we don't know. As Woltz stated, he moved between the Sicily's and America's crime families. So, he had considerable clout and respect within the organized crime community.

When he rides with Michael upon their exiting from the China Bowl, he apparently has at least one bodyguard and a limosine driver. So does Warren Buffet I suppose, but there's no evidence that Buffet runs in organized crime circles. So, why does Altobello merit protection?

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: olivant] #619678
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It's very clear that Altobello was an important figure in the organized crime world, but whether or not he had his own family is only conjecture. Personally, I think an argument can be made either way.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619683
11/07/11 05:11 PM 11/07/11 05:11 PM
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In the first draft of the script (the only draft availabe on the internet) the Russo Brothers are running the former Corleone businesses, but in turn they work for Don Altobello. Why would any boss of the most powerful family need to work for a boss of another family? It doesn't make sense. The only explanation is that the Corleone crime family has become weak and is therefore dominated by a rival family which has become more powerful. But then; how could Michael still have control over the Commission if he didn't have the muscle anymore?

I wish Puzo was still alive to explain. Why don't we get an Ouija board and try to communicate with him. tongue

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619701
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Altobello had been an investor in Rosato Brothers Coffee. Due to mismanagement, Altobello withdrew his equity and invested in Zasa Juice and spearheaded its expansion into Atlantic City.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #619734
11/08/11 07:54 AM 11/08/11 07:54 AM
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As usual, you are misinformed.

Altobello was the mastermind behind the Great Massacre of August 26, 1955, on five o'clock in the afternoon. It was also Altobello who later threatened the senator to state false information about the date of this event during the hearings.

And he never invested in any business run by the Rosatos. In fact, he thought their coffee tasted like shit and had them killed for it by Manolo.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #620417
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Here is what Wikipedia says about Altobello, but I think it incorporates some of the Winegardner material into his backstory. FWIW:

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Osvaldo "Ozzie" Altobello is a fictional character and the primary antagonist of the film The Godfather Part III. He also appears in the novels The Godfather Returns and The Godfather's Revenge. In the film, he is portrayed by Eli Wallach.
He is an aging gangster and longstanding ally of the Corleone crime family. He was the consigliere of Rico Tattaglia from 1955 to 1961, and becomes the don of the Tattaglia crime family in 1962. By the time of Godfather III, he has become a close friend and ally of Michael Corleone. Altobello even donates one million dollars so he could be a part of the Vito Corleone Foundation. Aside from being an associate of Michael's, Altobello is also Connie Corleone's godfather.
Michael becomes suspicious of Altobello's motives after Joey Zasa, a Corleone Family rival, orchestrates an assassination attempt on Michael and other family heads assembled for a Commission meeting. Altobello leaves the conference room before the attack. Michael escapes without injury, but many of the others in the room are killed. Michael then instructs his nephew Vincent Mancini-Corleone to go to Altobello and pledge his allegiance to him, without promising to betray Michael.
While in Sicily, Altobello enlists the services of an assassin, Mosca, who conspires to kill Michael at the Teatro Massimo opera house when Anthony Corleone is set to debut in Cavalleria Rusticana. Before the performance, Connie presents him with a box of cannoli as a birthday gift. The cannoli turns out to be poisoned, however, and Altobello dies in his seat as Connie watches through her opera glasses.
Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #620423
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Yes, Winegardner decided that he was the boss of the Tattaglia family.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #620424
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Well since he is prominent at the commission meeting in Atlantic City I still think its a fair bet that he is a boss
Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: DeathByClotheshanger] #620435
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Originally Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger
Altobello is also Connie Corleone's godfather.


I can't imagine Vito choosing one of Tattaglia's pimps to be godfather to any of his children.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: Sonny_Black] #620451
11/15/11 08:34 AM 11/15/11 08:34 AM
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Grazie mustachepete! smile

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: JCrusher] #620452
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Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Well since he is prominent at the commission meeting in Atlantic City I still think its a fair bet that he is a boss


It can't be ruled out that he was the boss of the Stracci or Barzini family. But I would think the Bocchicchios or the Corleones are the most plausible.

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Re: The Rosatos' fate [Re: mustachepete] #620601
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Originally Posted By: mustachepete
Originally Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger
Altobello is also Connie Corleone's godfather.


I can't imagine Vito choosing one of Tattaglia's pimps to be godfather to any of his children.


True. However, he may not have been involved with that family when he was named Connie's godfather. Anyway, it was Winegardner who put Altobello into the Tattaglia family, not Puzo or FFC.
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