Lin, if you ever read this, go fuck yourself!

The membership of many of the charts in that particular thread were rather inflated too.

Dapper, I hadn't heard about Casso's plan. Can you provide more context?

Interesting talk about the Outfit. Does anyone have any sense of the age of their members? ARe they on the older end of the spectrum or younger? It seems that older members - in general, mind you not in all cases - tend to have more respect for tradition and the younger generation is looking for the quick way to achieve their goals. Maybe this has something to do with the OUtfit being off the radar?

The age of Outfit members mirrors those in other families. Most of them are older.

And, though I may sound like a broken record, I don't buy that "Outfit being off the radar" argument. The Genovese family is said to be the smartest and most low key family over all and they have had tons of busts in recent years despite that.

The Outfit has been said to be very low key too but the lack of cases, by comparison, is due more to them being much smaller and less active than a lot of people assume. It's seems there will always be some who insist on believing that the mob guys in Chicago (as well as Detroit) have figured out some trick to avoid law enforcement. Something that has totally escaped the guys in NY (including the Genovese), New Jersey, New England, or Philly.

I think that the outfit mostly been reduced to gambling, extortion and probably vice in their local areas rather than any big acts of corruption or racketeering. I also read somewhere that they had sort of split into two groups or werent acting as much of a single group anymore.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/june/the-chicago-mafia/the-chicago-mafia

ALl the families are actualy down.Hope they will re-ogranise soon.

It goes without saying that all families have declined. My point is that many underestimate just how much Chicago and Detroit families have declined.

U think they can re-ogranise themselves ? Or for few years only will New York Five Families left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufalino_crime_family

Years active c. 1900–2008.Are they still active or wiki is telling the true ?

People reckon all familys are gonna end soon but they are wrong there is a scumbag in almost every italian family too lazy to get an honest job so they'll join a family get made think their al capone yes the mafia won't be as it was but it's legacy will live before you know it the colombo's due to the dire need to get the same muscle as other ny familys will have the highest amount of youngsters

The New York families, at least, will be around for a long time to come.

That's probably because Sarno was one of the few proactively doing anything.

Does not seem like it. Bonnano and Columbo are dead. They seem very scattered. Even the Genovese and Gambino's seem close to dismantled. With so many top men already having been in prison, like D' amico of Gambino and Bellamo of Genovese, it is tough for them to operate.

No offense but I suggest you do your research. If you follow this stuff closely, you'll see none of the NY families are anywhere close to being dead. The predictions made in the past about them being wiped out have proven premature. And you'll notice that law enforcement, as well as mob experts, have become more careful about making those predictions. All the NY families have certainly been weakened, to varying degrees, but none are finished by a long shot. The list of cases in just the last decade alone have proven that. Hell, if the smaller families in New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and Chicago are still viable, how can you write off any of the NY families?

I have doen research. In my opinion they have faded, and are on way out. It is natural course of events. I would not call Chicago smaller, maybe in numbers, maybe not. However in labor rackets and gambling they are seemingly bigger than any New York Family, in my opinion.

IvyLeague, you're not going to actually dignify this with a response, are you?

You know, I don't know how many times I can address this same issue over and over again before my just throw up my hands and give up.



What exactly have you been researching?

Back in 2007, around the time of the "Family Secrets" case in Chicago, the feds said the Outfit had 28 made members and a little over 100 associates.

By comparison, the Colombos, the smallest family in New York, has a little over 100 made members and approximately 500 associates. In other words, their total manpower is 4 times the size of the Outfit.

There's been relatively little in the way of labor rackets in Chicago in recent years. Several Outfit guys were booted from the Laborers Union in the late 1990's and early 2000's. And the report on the Teamsters, during the RISE investigation, showed primarily residual, limited mob influence.

By comparison, there have continued to be one labor racketeering case after another in New York. Compared to New York, Chicago and other remaining families have only a fraction of the union activity.

Gambling? Again, no comparison. The Outfit has bookmaking and video poker rackets. But the NY families do as well and their operations are much bigger and more widespread. The Outfit has had nothing close to even some of the gambling operations the smaller NY families have.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The modern day Outfit, the Outfit of 2012, is much more comparable to the New England, New Jersey, and Philadelphia families than any of the NY families.

If you disagree, fine, no need to get sensitive over it.

I don´t think Ivy got sensitive over it. He is trying to explain how things are. He has done this throughout numerous of threads in here and his arguments are watertight and solid.

You should check out this thread:

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=655181#Post655181

What ivyleague is saying it's true,you can agree or disargree but that's true.

Heres my theory the familys are acting weak so law enforcement will take out the rivaling groups such as russians or black mafias when their gone to familys tippy toe into those rackets while the other groups are weakened remember secrecy is the mafia's best friend