It doesn't mean anything, it's just an opinion. Carmela could be right, or wrong. Just as the rest of us.

True. Although my last post up there ^^^^ is all fact, not opinion. And a LOT of other things I've posted are based on more fact than opinion. But yeah sure, Sonny I could be wrong, and I probably am. Don't care if I am, don't care if I'm not. They don't put food on my table up there. I have zero interest in who's behind all this in Montreal. Zero. It's just that I happen to know many of the Caruana-Cun trera families, both blood and by marriage. But that's as far as my interest goes, and that's where I pull any info that I have from.

And to answer Jimmy_Two_Times, in Sicily I can tell you 100% that Montagna was nobody substantial.

I was only referring to you stating that Montanga was a nobody in Montreal. Not one of us knows his role for certain, although both you and Joey seem to know it for sure.

Anyway, even if you do know the [BadWord]-Caruana's (I don't know you do so if you say you do I take that for granted), would they even tell things like "Renda sleeps with the Fishes" or "Agostino is killed by a Sicilian" to their own wives let alone other relatives?

When Renda went missing, people speculated he was maybe kidnapped. Others speculated he was already dead. I backed up the people saying he was dead. I knew he was. And not only dead, I heard he went in a gruesome way. Tortured and dismembered. This is just stuff nobody comes up to you to tell you, but within a family people talk. Sometimes they're just speculating themselves. Sometimes they know for certain. Gossip and talk travels fast either way, though.

If you firmly believe in stats it would mean that the Montreal and Toronto families would only have 50 members, comparable to the size the Cleveland and Detroit families once had.

However, that you could compare the size of the Italian community in Montreal and Toronto with Cleveland and Detroit doesn't necessarily have to mean that there would also be the same amount of Italian criminals. Ratios can differ from place to place.

So you're stating that the 'Ndrangheta families in Toronto have only 40 men in total? That would explain a lot of their supposed power. Could you direct me to the source which state this? I'm very curious.

In last Thursday's journal de Montreal. Reporter mentioned thru police sources that there was a big mob meeting in east end Montreal. Aparently it ended abruptly when reps from Hamilton and Ontario left. Some kind of disagreement This I'm sure was the beginning of the end for Sal. Thats why the cops said it would be a hot fall/winter in Montreal. The meeting apparently took place in September.

Speaking for myself, I'm content to avoid a lot of the speculation about the war and just wait for information to come in when it does.

That said, I've noticed that quite a few people here make the assumption that a big part of all this conflict is the drug pipeline between Canada and the U.S. Or, to be more specific, between Montreal/Toronto and New York. The thinking seems to be that the Montreal and Toronto guys have the product, because of their international connections, and so they are the suppliers to the New York guys, who don't have the same international connections, but have a market.

Ivy, I really appreciate your informed posts and I generally agree with you but only partly here. I do believe this has a lot to do with drug trafficking and routes. I agree with you that much of the drug trafficking is for the Canadian market. I disagree with your assertion that very little of it flows south to the US.

The Canadian US border is porous. There are old country roads you can take into the US from Canada without seeing CBP or a stop. Those routes have been used by LCN since the late 50's. That border is so porous, very few seizures have occurred even during the height of the French Connection, Pizza Connection and before.

From some of my readings, outside of what comes from Mexico, there are traffickers bringing in marijuana, cocaine, Meth and heroine on fishing vessels on both the Atlantic and Pacific. These fishermen make pick ups and transfers hundreds of miles out to sea and bring them back to smaller ports in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. The Canadian ports are lightly policed compared to the US, especially the smaller fishing ports. From there, the drugs are trucked into Montreal and Toronto, for Canadian distribution and consumption, but also to fulfill US market needs, especially New York.

Gaspipe Casso evidently used this technique in his trafficking according to the Carlo book. Every now and again you will read about a fishing vessel getting busted, usually at the dock in a small port town, because someone informed. Rarely does the coast guard make a bust outside of the Gulf of Mexico.

Keep in mind that most heroin in NY is not the dark Mexican stuff, but the white Asian stuff.

I was watching that video earlier, lol i like how another procession pulls right up after Montagna's is done.

Keep in mind that most heroin in NY is not the dark Mexican stuff, but the white Asian stuff.

The next procession, ironically, was coming from the Complexe Funéraire Loreto, the Rizzuto-owned funeral home.

If all is relatively quiet leading up to Vitos release than you know that Sal was a one man army. He spread fear on Montreal the way he decapitated the rizzutos and [BadWord]. He forced his way in Montreal he didn't earn it. That's how he lost respect. I heard he had assassins come in from across the border to have his work done. He had no choice but to kill as many powerful rizutto loyalists as possible because many are waiting for Vito on the sidelines. Sal hadn't finished before he died. They got to him first. I think Vito and his old allies will take back power. We will wait to see.

FWIW, some recent articles have mentioned that Mexican and South American OC groups are now capable of producing the classic 'Number Four" or white heroin, having obtained the neccesary know-how and lab. capabilities.

Ivy, I really appreciate your informed posts and I generally agree with you but only partly here. I do believe this has a lot to do with drug trafficking and routes. I agree with you that much of the drug trafficking is for the Canadian market. I disagree with your assertion that very little of it flows south to the US.

The Canadian US border is porous. There are old country roads you can take into the US from Canada without seeing CBP or a stop. Those routes have been used by LCN since the late 50's. That border is so porous, very few seizures have occurred even during the height of the French Connection, Pizza Connection and before.

From some of my readings, outside of what comes from Mexico, there are traffickers bringing in marijuana, cocaine, Meth and heroine on fishing vessels on both the Atlantic and Pacific. These fishermen make pick ups and transfers hundreds of miles out to sea and bring them back to smaller ports in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. The Canadian ports are lightly policed compared to the US, especially the smaller fishing ports. From there, the drugs are trucked into Montreal and Toronto, for Canadian distribution and consumption, but also to fulfill US market needs, especially New York.

Gaspipe Casso evidently used this technique in his trafficking according to the Carlo book. Every now and again you will read about a fishing vessel getting busted, usually at the dock in a small port town, because someone informed. Rarely does the coast guard make a bust outside of the Gulf of Mexico.

Keep in mind that most heroin in NY is not the dark Mexican stuff, but the white Asian stuff.