The hit was ordered and approved from Hamilton it seems, with little NYC involvement but I'm sure they had a say or blinked an eye.

The hit on Montagna? If so, how does it seem it was ordered by Hamilton?

Sources have indicated so, I will find the article but search on google for " deadly revenge stalked boss " and you should see it.

The hit on Rizzuto SR that is!....my appologies.

the hit was not approved or ordered by hamilton, what hamilton is? i know it was just a cell of buffalo lcn led by papalia in the past nothing more
new york has tons of connections it's logic and more probable they are behind it, people like toto catalano could be involved too

Montagna is behind all RIZZUTO family murders. This guy had balls. He wanted the throne from the old man and he wanted all unpaid tribute money from all years never paid to the bonnano family. Old nick refused and now he's dead. Montagnas style was too aggressive for Montreal. Here business comes first not status. New York wiseguys have reputations of being rats whereas Montreal wiseguys don't. He wasn't a good fit for Montreal. Believe me the last I heard was that his fate was decided during Loprestis funeral.

Montagna is behind all RIZZUTO family murders. This guy had balls. He wanted the throne from the old man and he wanted all unpaid tribute money from all years never paid to the bonnano family. Old nick refused and now he's dead. Montagnas style was too aggressive for Montreal. Here business comes first not status. New York wiseguys have reputations of being rats whereas Montreal wiseguys don't. He wasn't a good fit for Montreal. Believe me the last I heard was that his fate was decided during Loprestis funeral.

It sounds pretty logical to me that Montagna had a hand in organizing those killings. But the Violi brothers were very likely involved too, and possibly 'Ndrangheta elements.

The Bonannos probably gave him permission to become the new caporegime in Montreal. That's why Rizzuto said that the wouldn't take orders from him. And likely also because Rizzuto thought he was Montagna's senior, which he was. And therefore Montagna organized his murder, after forming allegiances with the Ontario families and establishing a powerbase.

But in the end, Montreal mafiosi decided that Montreal should be for themselves and they took him out. They didn't want another tyrant. Montagna was probably considered an outsider and he apparantly had made some enemies, respected enough to order his "disappearance".

The exact reason why Montagna was killed remains unknown and at this stage we can only speculate. But it sounds plausible to me that he had started to act too much like a top-dog.

It sounds pretty logical to me that Montagna had a hand in organizing those killings. But the Violi brothers were very likely involved too, and possibly 'Ndrangheta elements.

The Bonannos probably gave him permission to become the new caporegime in Montreal. That's why Rizzuto said that the wouldn't take orders from him. And likely also because Rizzuto thought he was Montagna's senior, which he was. And therefore Montagna organized his murder, after forming allegiances with the Ontario families and establishing a powerbase.

But in the end, Montreal mafiosi decided that Montreal should be for themselves and they took him out. They didn't want another tyrant. Montagna was probably considered an outsider and he apparantly had made some enemies, respected enough to order his "disappearance".

The exact reason why Montagna was killed remains unknown and at this stage we can only speculate. But it sounds plausible to me that he had started to act too much like a top-dog.

It sounds pretty logical to me that Montagna had a hand in organizing those killings. But the Violi brothers were very likely involved too, and possibly 'Ndrangheta elements.

The Bonannos probably gave him permission to become the new caporegime in Montreal. That's why Rizzuto said that the wouldn't take orders from him. And likely also because Rizzuto thought he was Montagna's senior, which he was. And therefore Montagna organized his murder, after forming allegiances with the Ontario families and establishing a powerbase.

But in the end, Montreal mafiosi decided that Montreal should be for themselves and they took him out. They didn't want another tyrant. Montagna was probably considered an outsider and he apparantly had made some enemies, respected enough to order his "disappearance".

The exact reason why Montagna was killed remains unknown and at this stage we can only speculate. But it sounds plausible to me that he had started to act too much like a top-dog.

It's worth mentioning that the Bonannos didn't "send" Sal anywhere, the United States government did. He was deported, and at that point he probably decided to make the most of it.

The idea that an American was going to take over in Montreal is as ridiculous as the idea of a Canadian coming to Brooklyn or the Bronx and doing the same.

Do you agree with the view point that American LCN members see themselves as Americans first an Italians second and Canadian gangsters of Italian descent see themselves as Italians first and Canadians second?

Do you agree with the view point that American LCN members see themselves as Americans first an Italians second and Canadian gangsters of Italian descent see themselves as Italians first and Canadians second?

It's worth mentioning that the Bonannos didn't "send" Sal anywhere, the United States government did. He was deported, and at that point he probably decided to make the most of it.

The idea that an American was going to take over in Montreal is as ridiculous as the idea of a Canadian coming to Brooklyn or the Bronx and doing the same.

Also worth mentioning is that Montagna was given the choice, somewhat atypical, to be deported either to Canada or to Italy. In many people's minds, mine included, his decision to go to Montreal in April 2009 was not part of a master plan. But once he got there, I think he got some ideas in his head.

Good explanation Sonny. Do you think Montanga's killers got the nod from the Bonanno's? If Sal was the Montreal capo they must have been expecting a decent amount of residual tribute money and they must be pretty agitated to see those plan foiled unless some arrangements were made before Sal was whacked to keep the cash flowing to NY.

The idea that an American was going to take over in Montreal is as ridiculous as the idea of a Canadian coming to Brooklyn or the Bronx and doing the same.

I think Montagna decided that he should become the new caporegime in Montreal with the Bonanno family's approval. I think he may have even got some support, maybe from his old crew.

But I think it's hard to imagine that anyone from Montreal would have asked the Bonannos for approval to murder Montagna. They would have probably signed their own deathwarrant if they did. And besides, if Montagna was taken out because Montreal mafiosi didn't want an outsider to call the shots they would have never asked the Bonannos for approval in the first place.



Not ridiculous at all considering the history between the Bonannos and Montreal. Vito Rizzuto is still a Bonanno member as was his father, and they came from Sicily. Carmine Galante came from New York and took over. Vic Cotroni was a Bonanno captain and Joe Di Maulo and Domenico Arcuri are likely also Bonanno members.

The writers of Mafia Inc., two journalists from Quebec with decades of experience, thought this was a plausible scenario. The idea that Montagna would take over in Montreal came from them, more then likely based on police reports.

And it's not like Montagna walked in and took over, it probably took a lot of negotiating and killings. I'm just saying...

I know many people on the boards don't think the Bonanno's were/are involved in the Montreal war but IMO if the hit on Sal occurred without permission I think they Bonanno's will strike back. It seems like it is much easier for mobsters to get away with murder in Canada and the Bonanno's have always been known for their close relationship with Sicily. Contrary to popular belief, the Rizzuto's are not the only Bonanno members with Sicilian connections and gaining entry into Canada is much easier than gaining access to the USA. It will be very interesting if we finally find out who the actual shooters were particularly in the Nick SR and Cun trera hits. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that the trigger men were Zips. On the other hand IMO there is a very sound basis to the speculation that Violi's sons did the work, especially in the Nick SR hit, as Andre Cedilot and Andre Noel disclose in Mafia Inc. I wonder where they get all their info? They must be close with members of the Montreal detective squad working the cases.

I'm talking about today's mafia. There's no way an American is going into Canada today and successfully taking over in the long term. And in their minds, Montagna was an American. And now he's dead.

I agree with you that Montagna probably tried to take over, he just wasn't very successful in the long term. But in the short term he did make some noise.

word out is that sals next victim was supposed to be Lopresti's right hand man {TONY SUZ....} He got Sal before he got him.