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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: olivant]
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12/07/11 08:17 PM
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How, if necessary, is the Commodore's murder going to be explained?
Jimmy's incest with his mother was disgusting enough. But were ya'll creeped out as much as me when his mother carried Jimmy's son upstairs, stopped, and said something like "they all grow up someday"? Yes, he needs to get his son and himself away from her. AND after that comment she told Jimmy as she's holding the baby, "I'll be upstairs." I took it as an invitation for him to join her. So disgusting!! TIS
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/07/11 08:50 PM
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How, if necessary, is the Commodore's murder going to be explained?
Jimmy's incest with his mother was disgusting enough. But were ya'll creeped out as much as me when his mother carried Jimmy's son upstairs, stopped, and said something like "they all grow up someday"? Yes, he needs to get his son and himself away from her. AND after that comment she told Jimmy as she's holding the baby, "I'll be upstairs." I took it as an invitation for him to join her. So disgusting!! TIS Yeah Gillian is a piece of work. I think that it was an invitation. Again she was messed up from day one. She has no boundaries. Raped by a man old enough to be her father (grandfather??), passed around other men and then makes a living as a "showgirl". It doesn't excuse her behavior but it does provide context. Sex is how she communicates and controls. I also think the college flashback showed she was frightened of losing Jimmy-whether it was to Angela or the professor was immaterial. Edit: Commodore will have closed casket funeral and be listed as complications from his stroke..
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: olivant]
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12/11/11 11:03 PM
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He reenlisted? How weak an explanation! Margaret knew immediately. Reminded me of the end of "GOdfather Part I". Mike lied to Kay and the door between them was closed.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/11/11 11:22 PM
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At first I thought Jimmy really wanted to make amends with Nucky, but I think in the end he did know he was gonna get killed. His last moments with his son seemed meaningful to him. And, I think he wanted to die, thanks to his sicko disgusting mom. You're right, TIS. Jimmy was ready to die once it was assured the Colonel's estate would go to Jimmy, and then Jimmy's son in the event Jimmy died.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/11/11 11:31 PM
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I wonder how Jimmy's mom will take it AND I feel for Jimmy's son if he's stuck with her.  And, I am not trusting Margaret. TIS
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: olivant]
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12/11/11 11:40 PM
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Oli, Didn't Nucky tell Margaret last episode that he wanted to put the land in her name?  Not quite sure what to make of that but she's acting suspicious. TIS
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/11/11 11:48 PM
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Oli, Didn't Nucky tell Margaret last episode that he wanted to put the land in her name?  Not quite sure what to make of that but she's acting suspicious. TIS That may not be all he turned over to her. She knows he killed Jimmy and she's one of his chickens that's come home to roost.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/12/11 12:00 AM
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Is that the deed that Margaret was signing then?  All I saw is that it said Land deed TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/12/11 07:53 AM
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I've written before that I really don't like the Margaret character and this episode just made me dislike her even more. She's not stupid. She knows what Nucky is and what he does. She has chosen to be with him.
Asking him questions about why he was out and where he was forces him to lie. He lies well of course, being Nucky, but still. Did she really want him to say "Yeah, I was out late. I personally put two bullets in the head of my surrogate son. He had it coming though. What's for breakfast, hon?"
And presumably confessing her and Nucky's sins to the priest but neglecting to let Nucky know she slept with his bodyguard is foul. What's worse is signing over Nucky's property to the church. She may see herself as conscientious but I see her the way her brother did-just as big of a phony as anybody else-worse in some respects because she uses religion to try to make other people feel guilty.
Is Nucky (the character, not the real life version) now a full fledged gangster? He's ordered and committed murder personally. And yet he gave his brother a pass.
The Gillian character finally managed to come across as sympathetic when she noticed that her grandson had Jimmy's dog tags and what that meant.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/12/11 10:35 PM
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Will Vanalden come back and if so how? and for what reason. It'll be interesting to see what happens with van Alden. He and his "baby-sitter" moved to Cicero. Could that be Cicero, Illinois? That was later to become a stronghold for Al Capone.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/13/11 12:16 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with van Alden. He and his "baby-sitter" moved to Cicero. Could that be Cicero, Illinois? That was later to become a stronghold for Al Capone. i believe so. the woman who was renting it out said the midwest. There are other midwestern states (besides Illinois) that have towns named Cicero, but I'm betting it was Illinois. Cicero was to become one of the most crooked towns in the country (if not THE most crooked one) and that would leave it open for van Alden to go the dark side.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/13/11 12:31 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with van Alden. He and his "baby-sitter" moved to Cicero. Could that be Cicero, Illinois? That was later to become a stronghold for Al Capone. i believe so. the woman who was renting it out said the midwest. There are other midwestern states (besides Illinois) that have towns named Cicero, but I'm betting it was Illinois. Cicero was to become one of the most crooked towns in the country (if not THE most crooked one) and that would leave it open for van Alden to go the dark side. i need to check out the history of cicero then. but, yea i doubt it's in indiana or wisconsin. and, i have no clue who would pose a threat to nucky next season. eli will be in jail (or just released if they will jump ahead a year or two). richard could pose a threat if he stays around atlantic city. but, i could see owen posing a threat to nucky, either to be with margaret or to protect his life. really though i could see a new character coming in either to pose a threat or help nucky out.
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