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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/13/11 06:28 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with van Alden. He and his "baby-sitter" moved to Cicero. Could that be Cicero, Illinois? That was later to become a stronghold for Al Capone. i believe so. the woman who was renting it out said the midwest. There are other midwestern states (besides Illinois) that have towns named Cicero, but I'm betting it was Illinois. Cicero was to become one of the most crooked towns in the country (if not THE most crooked one) and that would leave it open for van Alden to go the dark side. In the posted interview Terence Winter confirms that it is Cicero Illinois and that mob historians would pick up on the significance.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/13/11 06:35 AM
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In the posted interview Terence Winter confirms that it is Cicero Illinois and that mob historians would pick up on the significance.
Thanks for the answer.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: Lilo]
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12/13/11 03:22 PM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with van Alden. He and his "baby-sitter" moved to Cicero. Could that be Cicero, Illinois? That was later to become a stronghold for Al Capone. i believe so. the woman who was renting it out said the midwest. There are other midwestern states (besides Illinois) that have towns named Cicero, but I'm betting it was Illinois. Cicero was to become one of the most crooked towns in the country (if not THE most crooked one) and that would leave it open for van Alden to go the dark side. In the posted interview Terence Winter confirms that it is Cicero Illinois and that mob historians would pick up on the significance. That would all make sense and would indicate that they will expand on the Capone character even tho, when I think Capone, I automatically think Chicago only. Btw, since Van Alden's wife divorced him, I wonder if he'll end up with the babysitter. If I were her, I'd be scared of that guy and would never want to work for him.  The guy's nuts. TIS
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/13/11 09:34 PM
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Entertaining as it is, "Boardwalk Empire" suffers from too many characters and too many stories happening in each episode, with only small incremental movement. The last episode was refreshing because it brought closure to at least a few threads. Although Jimmy's demise wasn't very credible, at least he's gone--he developed into the most annoying character on TV since Medavoy on "NYPD Blue." And good riddance to Agent Van Alden, the Sultan of Sanctimony, and to that arrogant US Attorney (nice work, Nucky!). Looking forward to next season.
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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/14/11 03:20 AM
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I have to say, I enjoyed season 1 far more than this season. While I was disappointed that it only got 1 Emmy last year, I'd not lose any sleep when it doesn't get any this season. It would be surprising if it does. Turnbull nailed it, too many stories, with story lines crawling like a snail till the last two episodes, only to kill most of the characters off at the end, and I'm not one bit sorry about their demise either.  That said, I must have picked up a bug or something, cause I watched the pilot of Sopranos and I don't think I'd ever want to watch the rest of it. Post "The Wire" syndrome I guess.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/14/11 08:01 AM
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just asking did lanskey work with the luciano family or another family? Lansky worked with Luciano and his family in particular for most of his life. He helped form the Luciano family and gained his power by doing that. but, yea idk why others had a hard time with following the story lines. it was pretty easy for me to keep track of everything. While it's true that there are a shitload of characters introduced, some even annoying and superfluous, I didn't have trouble keeping track of the storylines either.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/14/11 12:48 PM
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Lansky and Luciano were chums since boyhood. Lansky, Luciano, Costello and Siegel were all proteges of Rothstein. But, during the Twenties, Luciano was associated with the Masseria family, while Lansky and Siegel did most of their work together.
During the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31, Salvatore Maranzano cajoled and then tortured Luciano into betraying Masseria. Lansky put together the squad (Siegel, Adonis, Anastasia) that murdered Masseria. Maranzano then appointed Luciano head of Masseria's family. But he was plotting to whack Luciano. Lansky then put together the hit squad that whacked Maranzano.
The producers of "Boardwalk Empire" are entitled to take many liberties with history to keep the story interesting. But, for the record, there's no evidence that Luciano, Lansky or Capone were ever in AC until a big gangster convention in 1929, or that Rothstein had any business with Nucky Johnson.
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E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/14/11 01:04 PM
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Lansky and Luciano were chums since boyhood. Lansky, Luciano, Costello and Siegel were all proteges of Rothstein. But, during the Twenties, Luciano was associated with the Masseria family, while Lansky and Siegel did most of their work together.
During the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31, Salvatore Maranzano cajoled and then tortured Luciano into betraying Masseria. Lansky put together the squad (Siegel, Adonis, Anastasia) that murdered Masseria. Maranzano then appointed Luciano head of Masseria's family. But he was plotting to whack Luciano. Lansky then put together the hit squad that whacked Maranzano.
The producers of "Boardwalk Empire" are entitled to take many liberties with history to keep the story interesting. But, for the record, there's no evidence that Luciano, Lansky or Capone were ever in AC until a big gangster convention in 1929, or that Rothstein had any business with Nucky Johnson. thanks for the info turnbull. but, i thought the castellemmarese war was before 1929?
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
[Re: Lilo]
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12/14/11 09:45 PM
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Since, contrary to his usual habit Jimmy was unarmed do we think that he knew/accepted what was going to happen? As did Richard? I believe that he knew and was ready to face what was coming to him. When the "Tin Man" says that he is going to come with him, Jimmy immediately tells him to stay put because this is something that he must do himself. How GODFATHEResque was this episode? I loved this season much more than the first. And as our esteemed friend Turnbull has pointed out, the writers of this show have taken many liberties with the characters and what may or may not have really happened in real life. One thing that bothers me is the way that they portray Lucky Luciano on the show. At times they made him look like some kind of a dumb schmuck...which I do not believe that he was. I also get the impression that the writers are slowly laying a foundation to eventually make it look as though Lansky and Luciano set up the murder of Arnold Rothstein. Little facial expressions as well as remarks made here and there almost make it look like they are not happy with Rothstein.
Don Cardi  Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/14/11 10:33 PM
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Since, contrary to his usual habit Jimmy was unarmed do we think that he knew/accepted what was going to happen? As did Richard? I believe that he knew and was ready to face what was coming to him. When the "Tin Man" says that he is going to come with him, Jimmy immediately tells him to stay put because this is something that he must do himself. How GODFATHEResque was this episode? I loved this season much more than the first. And as our esteemed friend Turnbull has pointed out, the writers of this show have taken many liberties with the characters and what may or may not have really happened in real life. One thing that bothers me is the way that they portray Lucky Luciano on the show. At times they made him look like some kind of a dumb schmuck...which I do not believe that he was. I also get the impression that the writers are slowly laying a foundation to eventually make it look as though Lansky and Luciano set up the murder of Arnold Rothstein. Little facial expressions as well as remarks made here and there almost make it look like they are not happy with Rothstein. i doubt they will have rothstein killed off before 1928(?).
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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12/17/11 04:46 PM
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i doubt they will have rothstein killed off before 1928(?).
Not saying when it will happen before 1928, as in all likelihood the show's timeline itself will probably lead up to the infamous Atlantic City Conference which took place in 1929. But I just don't like the facial insinuations by Luciano and Lansky and the undertones that seem point in the direction of their being the ones who will eventually take out Rothstein. One thing that bothers me is the way that they portray Lucky Luciano on the show. At times they made him look like some kind of a dumb schmuck...which I do not believe that he was.
That bothers me too, DC. Luciano was anything but a schmuck. And he was never servile. One of his greatest strengths was to recognize that non-Sicilians--even non-Italians--could be helpful to him in organizing Organized Crime. Exactly right TB. While I love the show and for the most part think that the writing is pretty terrific, it is my opinion that the writers are dropping the ball with Luciano's character. Don't know about you, but I am looking forward to the Starz show "Magic City." Hoping that being it is set in 1959 it will touch on or base itself on some of the mob happenings of that era as well as somehow mixing in the events that took place in Cuba at that time.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Boardwalk Empire
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09/05/12 08:37 AM
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I think Richard will work for Gillian to help raise
And protect Jimmy's son. And it's possible at
some point he could try to take out revenge
on Nucky for Jimmy's death.
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pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me. It was
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