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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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09/20/11 03:19 PM
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you forget spanish roots that are more important than all the other conbined, south italy was under spanish kingdom for centuries african roots? it's incorrect only sicily was under arabs for a little while and that's all, greek? yes in some places but very very old roots sicily was under arab rule wich came from north-africa and spain was also conquered by the arabs but they came from north-africa and those guys where mixed black and white. and there was a time that the carthaginian empire ruled sicily.
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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09/20/11 04:58 PM
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yes in some places but very very old roots That's the point. Very, very, very, very old roots. Thats it. And like PB said, they're all culturally Italian anyway..
(cough.)
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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09/20/11 08:23 PM
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Have you never seen one of those shows like "Who Do You Think You Are?" and such.
In it, it basically takes someone who swears black and blue they are "English, through and through" or whatever ethnicity, and after conducting genealogical tests, often show that the person who considered him or herself "(a particular ethnicity) through and through" are in reality descended from a number of different places/peoples.
My point is that ethnography can be a tricky thing, and just because a certain name has certain regional roots, does not definitely mean that people named as such did not migrate and move around the country/world at times.
And splitting hairs now, the fact that the generic "swarthiness" of Southern Italians is considered by some to have come from the Moorish influence, it could be arguable that "spaniard had the most influence by far", since Southern Spain was once also a bastion of the Moors. Ipso facto, the Moors could arguably be considered to have had more of an "impact".
Theres a kind of logic behind the somewhat racist saying "Africa starts south of Rome"
I echo George De Stefano's opinion; for me, thats where Italy starts.
(cough.)
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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09/21/11 06:28 PM
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southern italy was under spanish kingdom from 1300 to 1700 long after the greeks anyway most of people didn't mix with greeks or spanish Actually, Greeks colonized (populated) southern Italy in very large numbers, about the same time Celtic tribes were colonizing the northeast end of the boot. Coastal cities like Naples, Reggio, and Syracuse were considered Greek cities. They viewed it as the "new world", much the way europeans viewed America in the early 20th century. As far as mixing, I think you meant the Normans/French or Spanish? A little OT, but interesting to know the history.
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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10/23/11 10:54 AM
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Have you never seen one of those shows like "Who Do You Think You Are?" and such.
In it, it basically takes someone who swears black and blue they are "English, through and through" or whatever ethnicity, and after conducting genealogical tests, often show that the person who considered him or herself "(a particular ethnicity) through and through" are in reality descended from a number of different places/peoples.
My point is that ethnography can be a tricky thing, and just because a certain name has certain regional roots, does not definitely mean that people named as such did not migrate and move around the country/world at times. Mickey i'm not sure if that show your referring to is what i'm thinking of but i remember a couple years ago a bunch of celebs gave up samples of their DNA to be tested and one of them was Larry David. His results came back that he was 37% American Indian. When they told him he thought they were just joking around but they weren't and according to the tests He is 37% American Indian. He thought or assumed he was 100% european. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/playing-with-dna-is-larry_b_402795.html
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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10/23/11 02:50 PM
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he is probably not native american but mixed with some mongoloid asiatic race the invading tribes like the huns for example.
The Hungarians have alot of the huns people in them and thats why it was named Hungary. Makes sense, Botz. According to Larry, his family came from Eastern Europe. So I guess Hungary is a possibility  .
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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10/24/11 08:23 PM
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Have you never seen one of those shows like "Who Do You Think You Are?" and such.
In it, it basically takes someone who swears black and blue they are "English, through and through" or whatever ethnicity, and after conducting genealogical tests, often show that the person who considered him or herself "(a particular ethnicity) through and through" are in reality descended from a number of different places/peoples.
My point is that ethnography can be a tricky thing, and just because a certain name has certain regional roots, does not definitely mean that people named as such did not migrate and move around the country/world at times. Mickey i'm not sure if that show your referring to is what i'm thinking of but i remember a couple years ago a bunch of celebs gave up samples of their DNA to be tested and one of them was Larry David. His results came back that he was 37% American Indian. When they told him he thought they were just joking around but they weren't and according to the tests He is 37% American Indian. He thought or assumed he was 100% european. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/playing-with-dna-is-larry_b_402795.html You're aware that those tests have almost zero scientific basis right? Alongside its various other failings, it often confuses Asian/Native American heritage with Caucasian genes...But David is Jewish anyway, so difficult to say 100% European anyway.
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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10/24/11 08:36 PM
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You're aware that those tests have almost zero scientific basis right? Well to tell you the truth i really don't. I have no idea how it works and so forth. I have read there are much more advanced dna testing for genealogy now but i really don't know the details about it.
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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10/24/11 09:07 PM
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Have you never seen one of those shows like "Who Do You Think You Are?" and such.
In it, it basically takes someone who swears black and blue they are "English, through and through" or whatever ethnicity, and after conducting genealogical tests, often show that the person who considered him or herself "(a particular ethnicity) through and through" are in reality descended from a number of different places/peoples.
My point is that ethnography can be a tricky thing, and just because a certain name has certain regional roots, does not definitely mean that people named as such did not migrate and move around the country/world at times. Mickey i'm not sure if that show your referring to is what i'm thinking of but i remember a couple years ago a bunch of celebs gave up samples of their DNA to be tested and one of them was Larry David. His results came back that he was 37% American Indian. When they told him he thought they were just joking around but they weren't and according to the tests He is 37% American Indian. He thought or assumed he was 100% european. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/playing-with-dna-is-larry_b_402795.html I havn't caught much of the American versions but its the exact same concept. Thanks for the Huff post link. You're aware that those tests have almost zero scientific basis right? Alongside its various other failings, it often confuses Asian/Native American heritage with Caucasian genes...But David is Jewish anyway, so difficult to say 100% European anyway.
The show is what it is, entertainment. But as for 'almost zero scientific basis", between genealogical studies and strontium tests that established ancient migratory patterns and help determine continental origins to a certain extent, they actually do pretty well these days. Im not saying there's no failings in the science as of yet, but to say it has zero basis in science is a bit far. I mean, its not like they're just looking at the guy and going "Hmm...this guy looks kinda native american-y".
(cough.)
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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02/23/12 06:51 PM
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In America the Italians that are of Arbereshe descent these days can they be made in a crime family in America? From what I can tell, in the early days, what region of Italy a guy's ancestors came from may have held some weight. That's when the rivalries between Sicilian, Neapolitin, Calabrian, etc. were more apparent. But fast forward a few generations, when Italians have become assimilated in the mainstream American culture, as well one type of Italian marrying another type of Italian, and I don't think it matters anymore. If a guy is well connected enough, a good earner, etc. he stands a good chance of getting made as long as his last name is of Italian descent - hence him having some Italian blood. The point being, if somebody is of Arbereshe descent, he probably also has some Italian blood along the way as well so it probably wouldn't make much difference as long as the other criteria above are met.
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Re: Vincent "Chin" Gigante Albanian?
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08/25/13 03:01 PM
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arbereshe if they are catholic yes but most of them are not so they cant they usually makes the greek-byzantine rite but if they are catholic yes they are totally italians for centuries its like to to make a man coz it has spanish ancestors in 1400 So much misinformation here. the Arbereshe are catholics. and many of them still speak Albanian. they are not 100% Italians. I have seen documentaries of them and they still speak albanian, they have had major impact on Albanian history and independence, even creating alphabets. although they have italian accents. and Joseph Ardizzone was from piana degli albanesi. he was Albanian, and he founded one of the first American crime families. so how can you call someone who founded this stuff as foreigner? as the guy said, only sicilians were accepted first. Johnny dioguardi was also arbereshe, probably related to Arbereshe politician Joseph Dioguardi. the matranga family were arbereshe and the cuccia family too. and in italy you had Francesco cuccia in piana degli albanesi at the time of the origin of sicilian mafia, and the mob originated in sicily... you also had several others. and there is an albanian writer who is known to of sided with them. if you don't believe me read about arbereshe, and see for yourself... luca matranga (Albanian-arbereshe writer) although lived hundreds of years before, is probably related to matranga crime family, cuccia... these surnames are not italian, and the fact that they are from piana degli albanesi. although allot of albanians have latinized names.. especially early albanians that fled from ottoman empire. before ottoman occupation we were like italians. you can even see these in the arbereshe surnames... very latin sounding. and also the roman empire was in the balkans and had major impact. and some guy here said there are no arbereshe in naples, arbereshe were soldiers for the kingdom of naples, of course they settled there. And there are several of greek origin, or maybe arbereshe (arvanite) like guiseppe greco. because the arvanite also came from greece and settled in italy.. they first lived in greece in peloponesse and thessaly.
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