Exactly, Dapper.

They don't call it the domino effect for nothing. It probably all started with the guy who was the lookout or the driver. He flips on the gunman. The gunman flips on Pagan. Pagan flips on TG ....

I agree that the Graziano sisters messed it up for their pops. A real old-school mob guy like Tony Graziano like things quite. They don't want the world knowing who they are or what they're about. I think even though Renee is a trash mouth, she's a hot babe with a nice set of legs. Sorry, just couldn't help it.

NJBOY55 Just curious have you had any problems with your eye sight lately.Sometimes when you get older you don't see has good.Not one to mock other people's opinions but saying Renee Graziano is hot is like [I'll just leave it at that]

alot of guys think shes hot. i for one am not one of those guys.

Renee Graziano?

I'd rather shave my head with a cheese grater....while chewing on tin foil.

She is nasty when it comes to her physical appearance and her personality. I would not want to wake up to that guerrilla-face every morning

Haha... You guys are molto pazzo!! She is bellessima. She has a very sexy way about her, and those legs. Mammmma mia!

must be a jersey thing

Maybe the Jersey State mental hospital.

That broad could scare the paint off a wall.

WTF, have I been in a coma and missed all this or am I restricted to my cheese grater my head

according to the new gangland TG was photographed by the fbi going to a meeting with the acting boss Vinny TV and a few other bonanno soldiers

"Sources tell Gang Land that DEA agent Al Gyenes and his group of agents that investigate wiseguys have made Vincent (Vinny TV) Badalamenti, the Brooklyn-based mobster who has served as acting Bonanno boss for about two years now, their main target.

“They are watching Vinny TV very closely,” said one law enforcement source, who noted that unlike FBI agents, who belong to “squads,” agents for the Drug Enforcement Administration are assigned to work in “groups,” not squads.

Less than two months ago, on October 18, the agents were watching as Graziano met up with Badalamenti and several other Bonanno wiseguys for a not-so-secret meeting at Mike’s Place, a popular Greek diner in the Annadale section of Staten Island.

Also attending the session with Vinny TV and the since-arrested and incarcerated Graziano were Bonanno soldiers Arthur Tarzia and Vito Balsamo, according to Nicole Argentieri, a deputy chief of the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney’s organized crime unit.

The agents, who had flipped Graziano’s ex-son-in-law Hector Pagan months earlier, were on the scene when TG and his driver, mob associate Matthew Rinaldo, showed up for lunch at Mike’s Place after a scheduled trip to his doctor earlier that day, according to court records."

ganglandnews.com

PB, I love it. LOL!

Ok I will start by saying I'm new here and know alot about this subject..... Hector (J.R) pagans mother was Italian his father was From P.R. His name was changed to junior by graziano when his daughter started dating him 22 years ago. T.G didn't want his associates to know his lil girl was dating a puerto rican.
As for the wire and the arrest, it is not normal for the D.E.A to make an extortion arrest and take away credit from the F.B.I. You will see the reason this was done pagan is giving them 22 years worth of information about T.G and they don't need anything else to make a case and put him away for life. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds!
Also I wanna say it is pathetic that our country allows people to participate in a life of crime and let them go free after giving up there accomplices! To call these people rats is being to kind they are the worst scumbags.
It's a sad world we live in!
An old associate

Puerto ricans, never trust them. Look at how they ruin every neighborhood they live in with their hood rat behavior.

Ouch, Palomita, you know when you wrote that you were wrong. What ethnicity are you?

Palomita, you were warned back in October about this stereotypical, racist shit. Since you appear to take that warning lightly, you can take a vacation from these boards, on me.

Since you appear rather intermittently, take a year off. Good riddance.

Hector pagan must REALLY hate the grazianos.Y is he now appearing on Mob wives if he is wearing a wire ?Its like he wants to rub it in ther faces.Im guessing TG must of made his life hell al these years so this is sweet revenge

Yeah, I was thinking that. Pagan's a real ballsy, and enjoys being a rub-it-in-your-face asshole.

I told my girlfriend about the 3 capos murder and TG's role in it.

Success!! She hates Mob Wives and now the two of us can go back to watching Nazi shit on the Military Channel and reruns of The Sopranos....oh that and Jerseylicious!

what was TG's role in the 3 Capos murder? I must have forgot...

He was with Massino, right? I mean he may have not been one of the trigger men but he definitely knew of it going done, probably before also

^ive never read about him being one of the shooters or having any involvement in it as well

i dont even think he was a Capo at that point, but he was close to Massino thats for sure

"Massino and Napolitano lured the three renegades to a sit-down regarding the future family leadership of the Bonanno family. Rizzuto came from Montreal with two Sicilian hitmen to join Massino, Salvatore Vitale, and Sciascia. When the three capos arrived with Frank Lino, the assailants Sal Vitale, Vito Rizzuto and Napolitano burst out of a closet holding shotguns and pistols. Trinchera, Giaccone and Indelicato tried to escape but were shot to death. Lino escaped unscathed by running out the door. Indelicato's son Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato was meant to be killed as well, but missed the meeting when the capos decided to take Frank Lino instead. Bruno fled New York, but when he re-surfaced, Massino and Napolitano turned to soldier Benjamin "Lefty" Ruggiero and associate Donnie Brasco and gave them the 'contract' so Brasco could become a made man in the Bonanno family."

Renee gave an interview on the radio and she addressed Junior

"Angela asks about the makeup between Renee and Junior on the last episode. He says he still loves Renee and realized it when he thought he was going to lose her. He said he wanted to reunite. Angela wants to know where things stand right now. Renee’s face shows a mix of sadness and pain as she thinks of how to answer this question. Renee says, “My relationship with him is very complicated. Very complicated. I have always, always cut him enough slack and I think now, at this stage that we’re in, it’s pretty much…there is no more, no more room.” Envy says they heard a rumor that Junior testified against her family member, is it true? Renee answers, “He didn’t testify, according to documents, he wore a wire.” Envy says that’s worse than testifying. They mention her family member, her father. Renee starts to cry, her emotions about this are very raw because it didn’t happen that long ago and it was during this time that Junior was trying to reconcile with her. Renee says they did put her father back in prison to finish serving his sentence because he was out early for good behavior. He came out August 4th and went back in November 21. Charlamagne says, “Junior should be dead to you right now.” Again Renee looks like she is going to cry. She says her father wasn’t the target, he was a casualty. They ask how AJ feels. Renee says, “that’s his father and his grandfather and it’s a very difficult situation for a child to go through. I don’t expect him to pick either one or both, whatever he wants. But, if AJ is as smart as I think he is, he’ll have a relationship with his father and his grandfather because she is trying to keep him away from the same mistakes she has made over the years.” They say that Junior cannot go back to Staten Island. Renee says she doesn’t know where Junior is. They had plans to get married."

http://mobwives.blogspot.com/2012/01/mob-wives-renee-graziano-power-105.html

Graziano had to know at least, just based on his relation with Massino

maybe or maybe not, him and Massino might not have been that close at that time and prob got closer as Massno took over the family... if TG did have a role I feel that he would have received some type of charge related to the murders thwon at him with Vitale and Massino flipping....

Graziano was originally close to Tony Spero. Took over Spero crew in 1985 when Spero became consigliere.

Hmm....just read about Spero, interesting dude, 'Firecracker racket'

^^^ now that guy Spero was a powerhouse, I read he was out on like $10+million bail! at one point

I remember Gotti Jr has the highest bail on record for a criminal case it was like $15 million the NYtimes wrote about that

speaking of vitale and massino, i remember when they reported that some bonannos were not going to recognize vinny gorgeous anymore as boss cause it was massino who turned rat that appointed him, if thats the case then the same could be said about TG who got appointed Consig by Massino in Mexico after Spero was put on trial, what do u guys think?

I´m not sure of that. I think Massino appointed Graziano acting consigliere while Spero was indicted. When Spero was convicted and sent to life in prison, Graziano was officially elected consigliere by the Bonannos. (I think.) But if this is the case, by Mafia standards, no one can break Graziano unless the capos demands it. I´m not saying that THIS never happened though..

i dont think TG was elected by the Bonanno borgata only appointed by Massino, come to think of it I only think borgatas vote for a new Boss not for Underboss or Consig, my impression is once the new Boss is voted in he selectecs an Underboss and a Consig, often times guys who were in these positions stay in them