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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/20/11 01:33 PM
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Ok, anyone who is following AND understands this tax extension vote: Both parties voted and the two month extension passed (with support of many republicans). NOW GOP (Boehner) objects (for lack of a better word)or rescinds. It's my understanding that Boehner wants it to go to "conference." The Dems said (Pelosi just yesterday) they would NOT send any Dem to conference. My question, so now what? Say no Dem goes to conference?? TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/21/11 09:14 PM
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Romney: Iraq invasion was a mistake. But it wasn't!Sunday: "At the time, we didn't have the knowledge that we have now," Romney said, pointing to intelligence before the war suggesting that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. After the war, U.S. and international inspection teams did not find those weapons, which had been the basis for much of the Bush administration's case for invading Iraq. The invasion, Romney said, was "appropriate" because the U.S. acted "in light of that belief," that is, in intelligence that ultimately turned out to be faulty. Today: In an interview with MSNBC’s Chuck Todd today, Mitt Romney asserts that "of course" invading Iraq was a bad idea now that we know Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. ("If we knew at the time of our entry into Iraq that there were no weapons of mass destruction, if somehow we had been given that information, obviously we would not have gone in.") Four years ago, Romney said just the opposite. ("It was the right decision to go into Iraq. I supported it at the time; I support it now.")
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: olivant]
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12/21/11 11:11 PM
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I agree with Romney. We thought Iraq possessed WMDs and that served as the basis for our invasion. At the very least, with the knowledge we now have about Iraq, WMDs could not be used as that basis. Therefore, it's probable that an invasion would not have taken place. Without any sense of irony, that party wants to repeat Iraq with Iran. Are we going to have a deja vu repeat of this a decade from now from the same assholes feeding us that line now? Do we have another trillion under the couch? Last I checked, we have something called military deterrence. We're a goddamn super power. Iraq in both wars was fucking Wisconsin, and Iran is Venezuela. The whole idea is if anybody steps on Superman's cape, they get destroyed. With such whitewashing currently going on by the Party who sanctioned and greenlighted the biggest American military blunder since Vietnam, people forget: military deterrence worked on Saddam after '91. He was contained, he wasn't a serious military threat with few to nofriends in that region (save Syria and numerous piss-ant militias/terrorist groups.)
Nevertheless, we've planted the seeds of democracy in the Middle East where they probably would not have been planted for the foreseeable future.
Yes piss away billions of infrastructure for those "new free" countries, but any cent for Americans or our schools or bridges or whatever? SOCIALISM!
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/21/11 11:13 PM
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"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort." -- Mitt Romney, quoted by Reuters in 2008, on the United States entering Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden. "I think other presidents and other candidates like myself would do exactly the same thing." -- Romney, in an interview on MSNBC earlier today, downplaying credit for Obama for ordering the raid in Pakistan that finally killed Osama bin Laden.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/26/11 09:19 AM
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Washington Post For the first time since Barry Goldwater made the effort in 1964, the Republican Party is taking a run at overturning the consensus that has governed U.S. political life since the Progressive era.
Obama is defending a tradition that sees government as an essential actor in the nation’s economy, a guarantor of fair rules of competition, a countervailing force against excessive private power, a check on the inequalities that capitalism can produce, and an instrument that can open opportunity for those born without great advantages.
Today’s Republicans cast the federal government as an oppressive force, a drag on the economy and an enemy of private initiative. Texas Gov. Rick Perry continues to promise, as he did last week during a campaign stop in Davenport, Iowa, to be a president who would make “Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your life as he can make it.” That far-reaching word “inconsequential” implies a lot more than trims in budgets or taxes.
The GOP is engaged in a wholesale effort to redefine the government help that Americans take for granted as an effort to create a radically new, statist society.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/26/11 07:57 PM
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How much change do we want ? I sure as the Hell have had enough ! Even most African American's are sayen the same. The young vote is going towards Ron Paul, 76 years old he might vaporlock before he goes to far out of the gait, and no war, yeah fricken right  what world are you living in . People can't live with thar familys let alone with anyone else .  Think about it. Let's get over the shit and really think about this. We are in some serious shit here. Just Sayen !
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/28/11 02:37 PM
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Hell about time for ronnierocketAGO to show. I have been hare about 10 minutes ! And hares, ronnie ! Just curious, what do you personally think of Mr. Mitt Romney? Personally, he appears to be cool under pressure. He did have a funny with Newter with Lucy and the chochlate , I pictured Newter in Lucys spot which he is. I am not for Rommneycare. He did fairly well in Mass. but  ya got me he also talks out of two orfice's ! But that is Politic's. It is turning out to be a very dirty election alot of saying things and then they won't stand up and admit to it or Hear Say stuff. I wish I could do better for ya ronnie
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Frosty]
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12/28/11 05:47 PM
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Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent since Jimmy Carter. But, unlike Carter, who faced a formidable opponent (Reagan), Obama stands an excellent chance of winning. The GOP debates have worn down every candidate and exposed their flaws. Romney keeps leading, but by small margins. Nobody's enthusiastic about him, so he wins by default. Everytime someone new pops up with a new idea, he surges to the front--only to be dragged down by his quickly exposed flaws, weaknesses and skeletons in his closet.
So, if it's Romney, a lot of GOPs are going to sit on their hands in the presidential election. Also, there's a good chance that someone like Paul or Bachmann will launch a third party candidacy that will guarantee an Obama victory. And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/28/11 07:00 PM
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Gop Primary Ridiculous Because Barack Obama has adopted so many core Republican beliefs -- particularly in the realm of foreign policy -- the Republican race is a shambles. ... In fairness to the much-maligned GOP field, they face a formidable hurdle: how to credibly attack Obama when he has adopted so many of their party's defining beliefs. Depicting the other party's president as a radical menace is one of the chief requirements for a candidate seeking to convince his party to crown him as the chosen challenger. Because Obama has governed as a centrist Republican, these GOP candidates are able to attack him as a leftist radical only by moving so far to the right in their rhetoric and policy prescriptions that they fall over the cliff of mainstream acceptability, or even basic sanity. ...
How do you scorn a president as a far-left socialist when he has stuffed his administration with Wall Street executives, had his last campaign funded by them, governed as a "centrist Republican", and presided over booming corporate profits even while the rest of the nation suffered economically? ...
..when it comes to the foreign policy and civil liberties values Democrats spent the Bush years claiming to defend, the only candidate in either party now touting them is the libertarian Ron Paul, who vehemently condemns Obama's policies of drone killings without oversight, covert wars, whistleblower persecutions, and civil liberties assaults in the name of terrorism.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/29/11 09:43 AM
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Johnson Goes Rogue Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson announced Wednesday that he will run for president as a Libertarian Party candidate in 2012. He will almost certainly be the only presidential candidate on the ballot in all 50 states supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage. Johnson’s support for same-sex marriage, and President Barack Obama’s opposition to it, could put the support and votes of gay Americans in play during the election. Lt. Dan Choi, who was discharged from the military under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, told The Daily Caller, “I am not in the habit of endorsing candidates and I no longer belong to any party, but I hold Governor Johnson in highest regards and think he would be an amazing president.”
Choi, who has declared in the past that he won’t vote for Obama again, called Johnson “a patriot, a hero, a fighter and a friend. I salute him proudly and wish him the very best in his campaign.” GOProud executive director Jimmy LaSalvia similarly indicated that gay voters may consider voting for Johnson. “Gov. Johnson may very well attract gay voters because of his position on same-sex civil marriage, but I think that everyone on the ballot in November is going to give Obama a run for his money,” said LaSalvia.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Turnbull]
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12/29/11 12:45 PM
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And even if they don't, Romney's likely to make the same mistake McCain made in 2008--he'll keep looking to the Right, to assure them he's one of them, and not to the Middle, where the people are who elect presidents. I agree, TB. Instead of pandering to the right, Romney should focus on the Independent voters that nominated Obama to begin with. As far as the nomination, Romney will get it (sorry, Ronnie). I've been saying it for months: The other candidates poll up; the other candidates poll down. Romney stays right where he is, which will be enough to win in this EXTREMELY weak GOP field of 2012. If the talking heads on Fox and the other Right leaning media decide to back him (and I don't think they will), it may get interesting. But Obama will still win in the general election, unless the economy completely shits the bed again. Because if people are still out of work, well, you just never know.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Election 2012
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12/30/11 06:22 PM
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Ron Paul ? whatya think ? Hell at 76 saw him with Leno last night don't look bad for his age. He knows alot . Unlike Mittens, Paul may be crazy but he's certainly a likeable fella. Hell he may be old but. Gotta give him credit I would have a parley with him .
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