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The Craziest Gangster?
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09/19/04 04:56 AM
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Which from the list below do you think was the "Craziest" gangster in the history of The Mob? Bugsy Siegal Vinny " Mad Dog " Coll John Dillenger Al Capone Joe Gallo Sammy Gravano Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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09/19/04 07:09 PM
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DC, I'd have to say, "none of the above":
Bugsy Siegal--Got his "bug" rep as a kid. As an adult, mostly a (ruthless) businessman. Vinny " Mad Dog " Coll--that name was given him by the newspapers after one of his attempted hits went bad and he killed a little kid with a stray shot. Otherwise, he was a fairly conventional thug-for-hire. John Dillinger--your basic bank robber, made into a popular hero (ironically) by the FBI's efforts to aggrandize themselves. He was a font of sanity compared with his sometimes gangmate, Baby Face Nelson, who was a real nut-case. Al Capone--his only real "craziness" was caused by his tertiary syphillis. Committed two murders as a teenager, one as an adult. That's all. Joe Gallo--he created the "crazy" name for himself to make up for the fact that he was small of stature and needed a "rep" to enforce his will as a small time racketeer. Sammy Gravano--definitely a methodical killer, but always in the cause of business or personal advancement, usually when someone told him to kill. Something like a Nazi war criminal: "I vas unnnly obeying orders."
IMO, the crazy Dons were Albert Anastasia and Carmine Galante. Anastasia committed more than 50 murders by his own hand. As Don, he ordered the murder of Brooklynite Arnold Schuster simply because he gave the cops a tip that led to the arrest of Willie (the Actor) Sutton, a bank robber and prison escapee who had no connection to the Mob. To me that's crazy. Galante was a stone killer and sadist who ran the Federal lockup in Lewisburg, PA, like Nero ran Rome, and whose cruelty was legendary.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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10/09/04 02:03 PM
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Damn, I can't remember his name but he was the brass in the Irish gang of the Westies. What's his name guys? He was nuckin' futs.
"A man can go farther with a kind word and a gun than he can with just a kind word alone." --Al Capone
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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10/09/04 02:27 PM
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Featherstone! That's it! Thanks, man! Yeah that whole gang was not right. They couldn't sell coke cause they broke the 3rd rule of Scarface...You can't get high on your own supply. You don't wanna be in debt w/ the mob. That's the lime pit treatment.
"A man can go farther with a kind word and a gun than he can with just a kind word alone." --Al Capone
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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10/09/04 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: DC, I'd have to say, "none of the above":
Joe Gallo--he created the "crazy" name for himself to make up for the fact that he was small of stature and needed a "rep" to enforce his will as a small time racketeer. Yes Turnbull, you are correct about Joe Gallo. I just finished reading "The Sixth Family" and even though he was called Crazy Joe, he really wasn't crazy at all. In fact he became a pretty educated person in jail, and after his release he surrounded himself with some very "high society" intellectuals. I think that he got the name Crazy because of the the big b**ls that he had. So maybe my original question should have been "What mobster had the biggest B**LS?" Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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10/10/04 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: So maybe my original question should have been "What mobster had the biggest B**LS?"
Don Cardi Another thoughtful question, DC. Probably there are many examples. One that stands out: John Dillinger may not have been the brightest bank robber, but he might have had the biggest gonads (note non-gender-specific term ). Some of his gang were arrested and imprisoned, and he sprang them by smuggling guns into the state prison. Then he was arrested and held in the jail in Crown Point, IN. The jail was surrounded by state police and National Guard troops, with sandbags and machine guns. The local sheriff bragged that Dillinger would never escape. But Dillinger managed to carve a phony pistol out of wood, color it with black shoe polish, and then used it to get out of his cell, back down almost a dozen guards, get past the troopers and Guardsmen, and make his escape--in the sheriff's car! Later, he had himself photographed holding a Tommygun in one hand and the phony pistol (which was little more than a "barrel") in the other. That's ballsy, IMO.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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11/18/04 01:30 PM
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"Mad" Sam DiStefano - This guy was insane. He took pleasure in torturing his victims. That's where Tony "The Ant" Spilotro (Real life inspiration for Peschi's Character in "Casino") learned it.
I came, I saw, I had no idea what was going on, I left.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
[Re: Frosty]
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12/28/11 03:39 PM
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nicky scarfo, milwaukee phil alderisio, sam giancana, sam destefano, carmine sessa
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn. -Frank White
You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
[Re: Scorsese]
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12/28/11 04:58 PM
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Didnt sam distefano force his wife at gunpoint to suck some black guys dick to teach her a lesson? yeah he was one sick guy, he forced some guys family to piss on him because he owed sam money ...humiliating
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn. -Frank White
You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
[Re: GerryLang]
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12/29/11 01:33 PM
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I read that sam was NOT made because he was very very insane, yeah I seen him in court shouting through a bullhorn "you dirty rat" lol - I especially like the story about his wife offering the agents coffee, and after several "accepted" beverages on different occasions they learned that sam was in the kitchen pissing in their coffee, just brilliant, Frank Calabrese Sr was pretty crazy - he killed a shit load of people while running a loan shark operation in Chinatown Chicago - and also complained because he was not asked to be part of the hit team that killed Tony and Michael Spilotro, but his brother Nick Calabrese was...He's in jail now and aint never getting out, I think he wants to kill his son's because one of them (Frank Jnr)ratted him out
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn. -Frank White
You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
[Re: gemini_killer]
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12/29/11 03:56 PM
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Frank Calabrese Sr was pretty crazy - he killed a shit load of people while running a loan shark operation in Chinatown Chicago - and also complained because he was not asked to be part of the hit team that killed Tony and Michael Spilotro, but his brother Nick Calabrese was...He's in jail now and aint never getting out, I think he wants to kill his son's because one of them (Frank Jnr)ratted him out yeah his son and his brother both flipped on him. One of Nick Calabrese's FBI handlers said that if Frank Sr. wasn't such an asshole , the Family Secrets case probably would have never happened. If he treated his brother and son better they might not have flipped on him. After reading the Family Secrets book recently , Frank Sr. sounded like a real piece of shit
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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12/30/11 09:58 AM
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his son frank jnr got lured to a garage and was told to leave his car a block or 2 away and when he entered he said he seen "the thousand yard stare" and he knew then what was up, lucky he only got a gun in his mouth and told to behave himself...a lot of other guys got the rope, yeah I read he treated everyone in his crew including his brother and son/s like shit... "everyone was terrified that they would upset cheech(frank in Italian), you never knew what he would do" - he also told his crew to "do whatever you gotta do to collect a loan", but don't kill em - obviously
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn. -Frank White
You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
[Re: Frosty]
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12/30/11 01:45 PM
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Anyone know why Frank jr. walks with a cane ? Because his dog died.
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Re: The Craziest Gangster?
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12/30/11 01:50 PM
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Anyone know why Frank jr. walks with a cane ? Because his dog died. i dont know if anyone else has been getting ur lil jokes lately but i think there pretty funny
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