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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/21/12 06:03 PM
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Thanks for the appreciation!
So how do you like the documentary? I found it very interesting and some things really shocked me, like the practice shooting with the cut-off head and how that [censored] women and children from the village helped the ‘ndranghetisti to capture the escaped hostage. I have always thought that local people just pretend not to know anything and never talk to the police, but to actually HELP the organized crime even before being forced to do it…..
In my opinion, there is also a good example of the common concept of a “good old, traditional mafia who didn’t murder women and children” being completely false. I mean, Mommo Piromalli and Antonio Macri’ who belonged to the old, traditional ‘ndrangheta had a train blown up, which had women and children inside (it had to be them, because it was done on Piromalli’s territory by a Macri’ hitman, and in those times nobody did anything on their land using their men without their permission, even the De Stefanos hadn’t yet dared to do anything against them then).
By the way, how do you think the young ‘ndrangheta bosses managed to exterminate the old ones so easily? Theoretically, if you are a crime boss and managed to survive until old age, this means you have much experience and know better how to get rid of the enemies. If you are a young, aggressive boss like the De Stefano brothers, you have just a hot head and no experience, so it seems strange to me they won so easily. There was a similar war in Sicily in the 80s between the “old” mafia and the “new” one, but in that case the “new” Mafiosi headed by Riina were called like that not because of their age (many of them were old and experienced), but because of their mentality, so it doesn’t surprise they won.
About the further translations: do you want me also to translate some movies about the same subject? For example, I have a short series of 2 parts with 3 episodes each about the Cittanova feud mentioned in the documentary who can be used as a sort of illustration to it. It’s called “A fleeing child” (“Un bambino in fuga”) and is based on a real story of a boy who belonged to a ‘ndrangheta family losing the war and had to be placed under police protection. The problem is that only the first part is in Italian and can be translated by me, but I managed to find the sequel only in German which I don’t know that well. Maybe there is somebody here who could translate it someday? The first one can be watched even without the sequel though – they have different plots.
Unfortunately, the university starts soon so I will not be able to translate as fast as I did the first documentary.
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/21/12 06:34 PM
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Dwalin, I don't think there has ever been a "common concept" that the mafia in Italy didn't (doesn't) kill women or children. It's pretty common knowledge that anything goes and no one is off limits. Maybe that concept being common is outdated information, I don't know. People know better today, but before there was (and there still is) somebody who considers the mafiosi as local heroes. I once watched an interview with some people from a town with a strong mafia presence and I remember when a young man was asked if, according to him, "his life would be better or worse if the presence of the mafia in it were not so strong", he said "I think it would be worse". I don't know if to laugh or cry at that statement 
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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/21/12 08:06 PM
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Dwalin, I don't think there has ever been a "common concept" that the mafia in Italy didn't (doesn't) kill women or children. It's pretty common knowledge that anything goes and no one is off limits. Maybe that concept being common is outdated information, I don't know. People know better today, but before there was (and there still is) somebody who considers the mafiosi as local heroes. I once watched an interview with some people from a town with a strong mafia presence and I remember when a young man was asked if, according to him, "his life would be better or worse if the presence of the mafia in it were not so strong", he said "I think it would be worse". I don't know if to laugh or cry at that statement It's always been, and it's known today, that to get to a man, they will use his wife/mother/father/child to get to him. It's always been this way in Italy. I understand what you're saying about the interview you watched, but you have to understand, many times the mafia has protected their own towns, or kept drugs from their own towns, and yes, people have felt somewhat safer having the mafia in control rather than local street thugs. It's true.
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 01:48 PM
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2 documentaries about the Russian mafia: 1) https://rapidshare.com/files/473018779/Underworld_-_Brooklyn.part1.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/116290177/Underworld_-_Brooklyn.part2.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/426430186/Underworld_-_Brooklyn.part3.rarThis one is about the Russian mafia in New York. It’s in English. I didn’t mention it in my previous posts because I thought it was easy to find, but later I saw it’s neither on Youtube nor on Demonoid. 2) https://rapidshare.com/files/4158588606/29thcomplexpart1.avihttps://rapidshare.com/files/809844837/29thcomplexpart2.avihttps://rapidshare.com/files/3084715791/29thcomplexpart1.srthttps://rapidshare.com/files/807198178/29thcomplexpart2.srtThis one is in Russian with English subtitles I made. It’s about a mafia clan called “The 29th complex” which was active mostly in the republic of Tatarstan in Russia. It was originally just a street gang, but in the 90s it evolved into a real mafia group. Unfortunately, the subtitles may be worse than the previous ones because the structure of the Russian sentence is very different from the English one, the difference is bigger that the one between Italian and English, so the translation is more difficult. And a spoiler for whom has seen the documentary: Salyakhov got 25 years, Yeryomenko got a life sentence, Mironov got 18 years. Vlasov was captured later and got 15 years. Asadullin is still a fugitive. I wonder why didn’t they say anything about their sentences in the documentary.
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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 01:58 PM
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Dwalin, I want to ask for you're services again. Friday night at 9 p.m. on CBC's The Fifth Estate, there will be a new episode about who's killing the Rizzutos. People outside Canada will not be able to view this online. Would you be able to share this doc with us? Also, I would like to have the National Geographic Underworld episodes, particulary the ones about Montreal, Las Vegas, the Luccheses, Chicago and Philadelphia. I've already seen them, but I would very like to have them in my collection. To show my appreciation I have drawn a picture for you: 
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 02:12 PM
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Friday night at 9 p.m. on CBC's The Fifth Estate, there will be a new episode about who's killing the Rizzutos. People outside Canada will not be able to view this online. Would you be able to share this doc with us?
I would like to watch it too, but I am not able to view it either. I just tried "The death of the don" here http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/deathofthedon/ and it doesn't work, so the next episode probably won't work either. I hope somebody in Canada records and uploads it. Dwalin, I want to ask for you're services again.
Also, I would like to have the National Geographic Underworld episodes, particulary the ones about Montreal, Las Vegas, the Luccheses, Chicago and Philadelphia. I've already seen them, but I would very like to have them in my collection.
I will upload them in some hours, but what's the episode about the Luccheses? Is it the same as "Manhattan mob rampage"?
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 02:27 PM
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I will upload them in some hours, but what's the episode about the Luccheses? Is it the same as "Manhattan mob rampage"? Yes, I remember so. Do you have these episodes in HD? In any case, thank you very much. I have rips of different sizes between about 300 and 500 mb, it's not HD, but the quality is better than on Youtube. Unfortunately, I don't have a good rip of "Manhattan mob rampage". I initially watched it on Youtube, only later I discovered this site http://forums.thathustle.com/showthread.php?p=919080 from which I downloaded the rest. When I decided to download this episode as well, it has already been deleted. By the way, I have 2 versions of the episode about Las Vegas: the video is the same, but the narrators are different and say different things.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 02:32 PM
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I have rips of different sizes between about 300 and 500 mb, it's not HD, but the quality is better than on Youtube. Unfortunately, I don't have a good rip of "Manhattan mob rampage". I initially watched it on Youtube, only later I discovered this site http://forums.thathustle.com/showthread.php?p=919080 from which I downloaded the rest. When I decided to download this episode as well, it has already been deleted. By the way, I have 2 versions of the episode about Las Vegas: the video is the same, but the narrators are different and say different things. One is the "Inside" version, the other "Underworld". I would like to have the Underworld version. It seems like these episodes uploaded by that forum have been removed. I would like to have the best versions you have. 
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/26/12 03:43 PM
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https://rapidshare.com/files/3643274839/CriminalunderworldHistoriesLasVegas.avihttps://rapidshare.com/files/2558768153/CriminalunderworldPhiladelphia.avihttps://rapidshare.com/files/1161197065/UnderworldChicago.part1.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/1469733127/UnderworldChicago.part2.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/2670330674/UnderworldChicago.part3.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/3547914268/UnderworldMontreal.part1.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/2114872864/UnderworldMontreal.part2.rarhttps://rapidshare.com/files/1730141016/UnderworldMontreal.part3.rarI hope these are the versions you need. In fact, I was somewhat confused when I found 2 versions for almost each documentary but, apart from the Las Vegas one, in each case both versions tell the same things even though there are different narrating voices. So I just deleted one of the doubles for each one, leaving both only for the Las Vegas version which does not only have different narrators, but also says different things. Don’t know, maybe I should have kept both. I haven’t uploaded “Manhattan mob rampage” because it’s the same bad quality version that is already on Youtube. However, do you need the other episodes as well (San Francisco, London etc)? I also have sent a message to a user from this site http://www.theempire.bz/main.php who has recently been uploading The fifth estate and asked him to record and upload the tomorrow’s episode about the mafia war. I hope he reads it in time.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Documentaries about organized crime
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01/27/12 12:56 PM
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I got a reply from the user illman from http://theempire.bz/main.php He says he will upload the episode about the Rizzutos, so I think soon we can download it from there directly or I will download it and put it on Rapidshare.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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