I could be wrong (but let's face it, I'm usually not), but I understood moolou's post to be sarcasm.

now that i re -read it i see your point.....

He's right Bridgeport.....Times have changed. It's not like the Old Days. Back then Frank Costello had all the judges, and the politicians in New York, and he had to share them, or let others use them. He had to let other draw the water from the well. The National went to the Lakeville Road boys. The Capri to Genovese. The Sevilla Biltmore, also, but Eddie Levine of Newport brought in the Pennino Brothers -- Dino and Eddie - for a piece, and also to handle the actual casino operation. And they saved a piece for some friends in Nevada, to make sure things went smooth back home. But New York had a piece of everything. They would meet up on how the families should be organized. They based them on the old Roman legions and called them regimes -- the capos and the soldiers. And it worked. Those were the great old days you know. And one was like to the Roman Empire. The Family was like the Roman Empire. And back in those days if a plot against the Boss failed -- the planners were always given a chance to let their families keep their fortunes. And the big difference between the outfit and the mobsters today is back in those days the families had a lot of buffers.

But in a nutshell JCB is correct because while New York shared their politicians and their knowledge, they still had a piece of everything.

Yeah, I didn't mean to come across like I believe those things. I was just pointing out how ridiculous those claims are.

Great article on the Chicago Outfit being in decline-like all other mafia families.

http://gapersblock.com/bookclub/2009/04/26/review_the_outfit_in_decline_-/

my bad...i didn't read the very first part of your post and just the second part and thought that u were agreeing.....its all good man

SC you good with computers where he is located, is it even chicago,

The construction boom is in Mansfield, PA was that Cleveland guy talking about Mansfield yesterday.

Food for thought because alot of people on here are probably oplder than I am, how the fuck do you underbid another construction company for 50 million

Speaking of construction, I have a question for Bridgeport. What financial situation is D&P in, with construction taking such a hit along with everything else these days?
They used to have a huge company and a beautiful fleet of trucks.
Years ago, my husband bought a boom crane and 2 roll-off trucks from them, and their company at that time had no competition. It was a goldmine in that area. What's it like today?

Definitely KC, not by numbers (compared to LA's 1 1/2), but because they're actually sittin' around lookin' to scam and crew

Here's another way to look at things in order to get some perspective. You could add up all of the remaining LCN members outside of the Northeast - that's from Cleveland and westward - and the number would be equal to about the size of the smallest NY family.

good way to put it. in other words about 80% of the remaining membership is in the northeast.

Best post I've ever read regarding the state of American's Cosa Nostra.

Though I'd say Chicago has enough 'made'/not made guys that all the combined guys would be mid level in terms of that scale, think the Lucchese's, 150 guys. KC, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, and the few in Vegas not from NY.

i wouldn't go far as to say the luchesse's you have to remember in places like KC and Cleveland your talking maybe 1-10 guys tops......

do you guys consider buffalo part of the northeast? always thought of it as more of a rustbelt city myself.

Most recent estimates put the Luccheses at a little over 100 total made members.



Buffalo/Rochester, New England, New York, New Jersey, NE Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh would all be considered to be in the northeast.

anything east of cleveland and north of the mason dixon line (maryland) is considered north east.

If we're talking the entire northeast, it's closer to 90% now.

comparing Chicago to any other city outside of NY? Absolutely ridiculous, seriously guys...

what are u even talking about?

In terms of size, activity, etc., the Chicago Outfit is comparable to the New England or Philadelphia families. I'm talking about the modern day Outfit. Not the Outfit of the 1950's, which you and some others apparently think still exists. Much to the chagrin of several Chicago posters on these forums, this thinking that the Chicago mob is on the same level of the NY families is outdated. Furthermore, you even said yourself that you don't know much about other cities. So how can you say what compares to Chicago and what doesn't?

Philadelphia is minute compared to Chicago in the modern day, please get real here. Philadelphia is a dying city with a withering Italian-American population, Chicago is the polar opposite.

LA and Chicago are comparable, actually. Greater LA's population is about 3 million more than Greater Chicago ("Chicagoland"), but a lot less densely populated and urban (LA is really spread out).

You had said we could ask anything related to your topic of expertise, so I had asked this earlier. Maybe you missed my post the first time, so here it is again:

"Speaking of construction, I have a question for Bridgeport. What financial situation is D&P in, with construction taking such a hit along with everything else these days?
They used to have a huge company and a beautiful fleet of trucks.
Years ago, my husband bought a boom crane and 2 roll-off trucks from them, and their company at that time had no competition. It was a goldmine in that area. What's it like today?"

I took KC so seriously simply because of that gambling bust in '09 with half the guys gettin' pinched bein' under the age of 28 --- something I was utterly stunned by.

I agree. It's got much more in common with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Detroit than New York City. I've heard Rochester is the same way, but I've never been there.

It's mafia family counted as a "Northeastern" family though.

Rochester's crime boss was Frankie Valenti, who was made in the Pittsburgh family and got LaRocca's blessing to start up his own crew and operations in Rochester. The local unions in Buffalo/Rochester were once shared with Pittsburgh. Interesting how a lot of the smaller families shared so much with each other, but profits had to also go to NY as well for the representation.

We're talking about the mob families within those cities. Not the cities themselves.

i wouldn't go as far to call Philadelphia a dying city.....mob talk or in general....

what can you tell me about Thomas "Sonny" Ciancutti heard that he;s the only made guy left in the burgh and still runs a small bookmaking operation