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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Mukremin] #624900
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin


I agree, we could say that the real thing that broke the chain was the killing of George from Canada. That was the last thing, and the Rizzutos were looking for a reason to say "Fuck you New York". And thats what they did with the killing of Georgie.


What's interesting though is, Vito Rizzuto reportedly sent the message to NY that he didn't recognize Montagna as his boss. If the ties were completely severed with the murder of Sciascia years before, one wonders why Rizzuto would need to say that at all.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: IvyLeague] #624905
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I agree, we could say that the real thing that broke the chain was the killing of George from Canada. That was the last thing, and the Rizzutos were looking for a reason to say "Fuck you New York". And thats what they did with the killing of Georgie.


What's interesting though is, Vito Rizzuto reportedly sent the message to NY that he didn't recognize Montagna as his boss. If the ties were completely severed with the murder of Sciascia years before, one wonders why Rizzuto would need to say that at all.


In that case, we could assume that they still recognized the Bonannos as their leader and still kicked up money. So that makes them a crew of the Bonannos, not a independant family like most people think. But if so, the shit thats happening there is still a Bonanno issue, if they are a crew and still tied to them, they wouldnt let those things happen. So its 2 possibilities, Bonannos still trying to maintain control, or they simply say: fuck it, its Canadian business.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: IvyLeague] #624910
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
[quote=Mukremin]What's interesting though is, Vito Rizzuto reportedly sent the message to NY that he didn't recognize Montagna as his boss. If the ties were completely severed with the murder of Sciascia years before, one wonders why Rizzuto would need to say that at all.


Just to make a statement so that the Bonannos shouldn't be getting any ideas to try to take back control.

This and Montanga's trips to Ontario and to Rizzuto one week before he was killed strongly indicate that these guys weren't the best of friends.


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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
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[quote=Mukremin]What's interesting though is, Vito Rizzuto reportedly sent the message to NY that he didn't recognize Montagna as his boss. If the ties were completely severed with the murder of Sciascia years before, one wonders why Rizzuto would need to say that at all.


Just to make a statement so that the Bonannos shouldn't be getting any ideas to try to take back control.

This and Montanga's trips to Ontario and to Rizzuto one week before he was killed strongly indicate that these guys weren't the best of friends.


You both have interesting points...

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #624914
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
[quote=Mukremin]What's interesting though is, Vito Rizzuto reportedly sent the message to NY that he didn't recognize Montagna as his boss. If the ties were completely severed with the murder of Sciascia years before, one wonders why Rizzuto would need to say that at all.


Just to make a statement so that the Bonannos shouldn't be getting any ideas to try to take back control.

This and Montanga's trips to Ontario and to Rizzuto one week before he was killed strongly indicate that these guys weren't the best of friends.


Thats a good one, so when did the Bonannos loose control over there? With the killing of George they proved they still maintained control. And where do we put the killing of Montagna, we see the Rizzutos getting hammered and along also Montagna, who is a Bonanno member. These things just dont make any sense to me.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #624936
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What I'm interested in is that when there has been conflict in an American family, usually someone or several people flip and then the authorities get the full story of what's going on.
With the Rizzuto's and Canada as a whole, there seems to be very few rats why is this? They seem to be more old school up there.

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it depends on canadian laws for the most, i don't know them ask some canadian about it
they have something similar to RICO? they have a witness program?

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Nicky, many Sicilians, not just mobsters in Sicily, but civilian ones believe in omerta still, where they don't tell the cops anything. The fresher Sicilian they are, the less they'll talk to the feds, and most of the Rizzuto's are true Sicilians. The head members of the Bonanno's used to be back when old Joe was running things, but now they are as American as it gets.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #625888
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While reading "Mafia Inc" I found it interesting that the authors speculate based on police information that the august 2009 killing of Frederico del Peschio and the December 2009 killing of Nick Rizzuto Jr have nothing to do with the current war in montreal (IE: Cun trera , montagna, lopresti etc killings). They speculate that the killing of del Peschio and Rizzuto Jr. were nothing more than a dispute over money with another business man with close mafia ties. Supposedly this man contracted some street gang members to do the hit. Perhaps this was the true weak point in the chain, not Vito leaving for prison. Perhaps the killing of rizzuto Jr. based on other isolated issues and the coincidence of Montagna being deported to Montreal were a perfect set of circumstances for this war to be set in motion.


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Another interesting point of view...

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: m2w] #626467
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Instead of RICO, Canada has a charge called Gangsterism, however one of the reasons Canadians suck it up and take sentences is because our prisons to a degree are more tame, members of Organized Crime still have vast influence in the system and our sentences are minimal in comparison to those to the south.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: EddieCoyle] #626505
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Originally Posted By: Montague
Instead of RICO, Canada has a charge called Gangsterism, however one of the reasons Canadians suck it up and take sentences is because our prisons to a degree are more tame, members of Organized Crime still have vast influence in the system and our sentences are minimal in comparison to those to the south.


Thanks for sharing that and welcome to real life. Can you share other information? Like about Vito Rizzuto.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #626540
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What would you like to know, thanks for the welcome!


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: EddieCoyle] #626879
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I'm just not sure Vito will still be the man when he gets out of the joint, due to Vito kind of flipping on the people he was involved in the 1981 murders with. Do you think he still will be the Don? He basically dry snitched on himself and others in court before being sentenced. confused

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When Vito was in jail, everybody moved on. If he ever returns in Montreal, there will be a completely different atmosphere. I expect some scores will be settled, but it will never be the same again.


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Wow... A comment by Sonny Black that isn't a joke? That's unbelievable (lol). Just messin' with ya. lol

Thanks for your info and reply, though.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #626930
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Don't mention it. wink


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #626947
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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nicky, many Sicilians, not just mobsters in Sicily, but civilian ones believe in omerta still, where they don't tell the cops anything. The fresher Sicilian they are, the less they'll talk to the feds, and most of the Rizzuto's are true Sicilians. The head members of the Bonanno's used to be back when old Joe was running things, but now they are as American as it gets.


Tell that to John Stanfa, all the young Sicilians he brought over in the 90's became rats as fast as they could.

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Which Sicillians did Stanfa brought over?


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Yeah Gerry Lang. Please tell us which ones.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Mukremin] #626964
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Which Sicillians did Stanfa brought over?


MUKREMIN!!! You're alive! You're alive! Praise Jesus!! This is truly a Christmas miracle!!

There was talk that maybe, just possibly....well...I won't get into it...


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Many did miss ya, Muk. Frosty missed PB, too.

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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Which Sicillians did Stanfa brought over?


MUKREMIN!!! You're alive! You're alive! Praise Jesus!! This is truly a Christmas miracle!!

There was talk that maybe, just possibly....well...I won't get into it...


What are you talking about? What talks smile
i was busy, and still am with overwork this month. And i am ill to.


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Yeah Gerry Lang. Please tell us which ones.


Rosario Bellochi and Biagio Adornetto, there could have been another one. They were two of the biggest clowns connected to the mafia I ever read about. There ineptness is one of the reason the Merlino faction won the war.

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Yep, I do know about those two Sicilian criminals. They are listed on my Philly Chart.

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You know what is funny is Nicolo Rizzuto looked like your typical Italian grandpa, happy and full of life, with a big smile. He sure fooled everybody.

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That businessman is Tony Magi.

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heres a new article about the possible return of Vito in 2012. Interesting to note that law enforcement in Quebec consider Desjardins to be the number 1 guy in Quebec organized crime, and suggest that Montagnas ally Arcuri would be more occupied with just protecting himself these days.


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2012: the return of Vito?


"If Vito sets foot in Montreal, it will pass." This sentence is a policeman who said to me in late summer. At that time, nobody would have found a reason to doubt it. Seven months earlier, the extermination of the Sicilians had been sealed with the last breath of the father of Vito Rizzuto, the old patron, Nicolo, who was killed in the kitchen of his house.

You had to have powerful men in as orderly process, without reply, to the elimination of a clan that had ruled the Mafia in Montreal for 30 years. And at the end of last summer, these men seemed to be in the saddle and have established a new order.

However, on September 16, everything changed with the attempted murder against Raynald Desjardins, and strife between the former allies who had caused the fall of the Sicilians have come to light.

He who aspired to become the new sponsor, Salvatore Montagna was killed, and Desjardins, considered by police as a number 1 of organized crime in Quebec right now, is in prison for the murder.

Is not

Who can become the sponsor does not cease to ask for it this week? The answer: nobody. The Calabrian and brother-in-Desjardins, Joe Di Maulo? At the age of 70 years, it is not interested, we are told. The Calabrian Moreno Gallo? The referee is back in jail recently and is also younger. The businessman Domenico Arcuri, whose name comes up frequently in recent months? Former ally of Montagna would be occupied to protect themselves from these days, they say.

There are still on dry land "men of honor," or clan leaders who have a little scale and influence, but the title sponsor they are not interested, too busy doing business.

I do not think the great families of New York or Ontario can send an emissary in the light of the fate that was reserved for Montagna.

While some believe that the arrest of Desjardins will end the bloodshed, I fear the contrary, in the absence of leadership and those who refer the settling of accounts will continue in the Mafia, as was perhaps the case for the murder of Lorenzo Lo Presti and the attempted murder against Antonio Pietrantonio.

The stars align

Should a man do some unanimity, respected and charismatic, with an iron fist in a velvet glove.

This is exactly what was Vito Rizzuto before being imprisoned in the United States and its succession, Francesco Arcadi in mind, saw the storm.

Vito Rizzuto was an outstanding arbitrator, a mediator of conflicts that knew everyone happy and keep the peace between the various criminal organizations, the Hells Angels, gangs and other criminal underworld in order.

Vito Rizzuto is released from prison in next October. He still has important allies in Montreal and outside, waiting, lurking in the shadows.

A few months ago, he said the depth of his dark cell in Florence, Colorado that will wait to see who will come to him. The parade may be about to begin.

But the Rizzuto clan no longer exists. If he comes back and gets his blessing, Vito will run alone. It will be closer to new families of New York with his clan which had broken for years and deal with influential by Calabrese.

It surely will not leave unpunished the murder of his son, but must have permission to avenge him.

If, after his release, Vito returned to Montreal to settle there again, it will be a strong sign that he is back in the good graces of the Montreal Mafia. Especially if it ensures that it is a businessman and he cut all ties with organized crime then this is again saying that the sponsor.



http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/regional/archives/2011/12/20111229-082400.html


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Thanks for that article. It sure was in another language before, because it was hard picking up on some of the words in English.

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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Thanks for that article. It sure was in another language before, because it was hard picking up on some of the words in English.


yeah it was in french, and yeah, the translations always suck.

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