Are these guys Black or White or both?

White. Only small time dealers are black in Nottingham tbh. Street gangs in the rougher areas like St Anns, Radford, The Meadows are mainly black.

Can any English people tell me how you rate "A Very British Gangster"?

I thought it was an excellent documentary. But I know nothing about Britain and can't rate it on accuracy or anything. Are the Noonans very powerful in Manchester? Or very rich? They didn't appear to have too much money.

Fake gangsters, nothing more.

Noonan had a really shitty car. I figured, even if he was a halfway decent criminal, he would find a way to get a Mercedes or something, given that its often important to these guys to appear successful even if they aren't flashy.

TommyGambino - Did you see A Very British Gangster? Is it really all bullshit?

Dessie at one time did really hold some weight around. But that was before he turned to crack and became a brainless alcoholic. And even in his heydays his power came mostly from the fact that he worked the doors and was one of the only ones able to keep the black street dealers in line. Dominic and his crew look like a bunch of clowns, act like a bunch of clowns and most likely are a bunch of clowns.
There're bigger ones around in Salford and Stockport.

Liverpool has some powerful firms that have a lot of clout due to their control of the movement of the drugs trade

Lot of the older traditional London firms now operate out of Essex and Kent

British are we talking about heroin?

Yes H, also coke is moved by the scousers


And the triads are big players in the UK for grass

Have any idea on where the Heroin is comming from?

I think its via Holland, although i am not 100% sure on that.

Most of the heroin comes from Turkish criminal groups. Liverpool groups mainly import it directly from Turkey. From Liverpool they distribute it to other cities in the UK (sometimes even as far away as Holland and Spain). In some places the Scousers both control the wholesale as well as the street-level sale. Some heroin also comes from Irish groups who themselves import it from Pakistan.

In London it's different. In North London there are already settled Turkish/Kurdish crime families (mostly Kurdish) who locally control both the wholesale and the street-level sale. In some other places there are Indians and Sri Lankans (mainly in West London) or Pakistanis (in several parts of the East) that are able to import heroin using their family connections. Again: both wholesale and street-level sale. Bangladeshis in East London are most of the time street-level drug dealers. In South London/Essex/Kent there are also local British criminals who buy it from the Turks/Kurds and from there on distribute it throughout other areas/countries (Spain is again a popular destination). In London's Southeast there are also Turkish Cypriots involved in the heroin trade, much of which is directly imported from Turkey. London's heroin trade is extremely colourful lol.

While local White British criminal groups are involved in the heroin trade to some degree, cocaine and hashish are much more important for them. Two places are critical for this: Liverpool and Amsterdam. In Liverpool cocaine is brought in from Colombia, while hashish is imported from Morocco. From there on you deal with the Scousers. The closest business partners of the Scousers are most probably the Glasgow based groups who then distribute it throughout Scotland and other places (there we go again: Spain ). Other smaller groups in the north and some in the midlands and the south buy it off the Scousers.
Larger London-based criminals have also used Holland a lot. Amsterdam has a shitload -and I do mean a shit fucking load- criminal organizations that import cocaine: you've got the native Dutch groups (sometimes connected to biker gangs like Hells Angels), settled Colombian criminals, Irish or Scouse criminals that settled in Amsterdam,... And if Amsterdam weren't enough the second biggest drug port in Holland is Rotterdam where cocaine and hashish gets imported by local Dutch, Moroccan, Curaçaoan and Moluccan criminals. London/Essex/Kent groups have a tendency to use small ferries to transport it from Holland to small ports in the South of England.

A lot of the local cannabis farms in South England are ran by Vietnamese criminals btw. Don't think the Triads have a hand in that. Triads, Albanians and Russians are a lot more involved in prostitution, human trafficking and weapons trafficking than they are in drug trafficking. Even though they sometimes dabble in that as well.

Always like the Turks. Funny how one can get introduced to them. I did it through soccer here in NY. That led to going to turkey. Then when my daughter got married. She lived in Berlin in Germany. Big Turkish population in Berlin. You can get anything you want in Berlin anything through those Turks there.

Nice people the Turks.

Cheers for that mate, good round up

A couple questions for you Brits. What is a scouser?

And also, anytime I hear about British criminals they mention "working the doors." What exactly are they doing? Does this really mean extorting bars and clubs?

A scouser is a person from Liverpool


Working the doors means providing security for pubs and clubs, this can also allow groups to offer protection and also control low level drug movement and sales

Correct me if im wrong but i think the term Scouser, originates from a dish(lamb or beef stew) that was brought to Liverpool by the Scandinavians in the 1700's

You can get a bowl of scouse which is basically a stew


Speaking of working the doors, a few of the top guys in Glasgow own security companies, which make extorting businesses easier!

Whilst Newcastle has all sorts of villians and hard men doing their own thing, the most notorious of late has been a chap called John Henry Sayers who has a hand in all sorts of devilment. Backed up by his brothers and some ferocious henchmen they are as close to "organised" as anything else up here, although he does have plenty of rivals. The police would love to lock him up but he has gone free at 2 trials s far. A touch of the John Gottis

I wonder how much crime would lessen if there were less black/biracial children from broken homes. I don't know the statistics but if I could hazard a guess, I would say that the numbers of biracial children growing up in single parent homes is disproportionately higher than other groups.

I don't want to sound like a bigot but I think Irish, Anglos, Italians and Jews stick together for better or worse and have a greater concept of family.

Is Sayers still active. I've heard about his family's blood feud with the Conroys and the Harrisons.

Fugitive British drug boss who got 11 years for crimes sought by police after going on the lam http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...ss-who-got-11-years-for-crimes-sought-by

he was in the malt vinegar racket...

Organization used insiders at London’s Heathrow airport to smuggle over £16 million worth of drugs http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...s-at-london-s-heathrow-airport-to-smuggl

Dominic Noonan was caught on cctv during the London Riots stealing TVs from the highstreet

That shows u how powerful he was lol

British career criminal shot in head and left for dead in Amsterdam http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...hot-in-head-and-left-for-dead-in-amsterd

Could be related to the murder of John Kinsella two weeks ago in Liverpool.

Profile of British drug boss Robert “The Voice” Dawes - “He was prepared to use extreme levels of violence” http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...oss-robert-the-voice-dawes-he-was-prepar