There are reports speculating that Romney and Paul have entered into some kind of agreement, perhaps a role of some kind for Paul if Romney wins the nomination or presidency. Apparently with all of the mud slinging it is noticeable that these two seem to go out of their way not to discredit the other.
For instance when Romney painted his opponents as Washington insiders, he expressly excluded Paul from his castigation even though the congressman has amassed much more time as a Washington politician than Santorum or Gingrich. Moreover, Paul's sudden and puzzling labeling of Santorum as a "fake" is peculiar. Romney and Paul appear to be an odd partnership, but politics have created far stranger bedfellows. Moreover, at this time it would appear to be in Romney's benefit to have Paul stick around in the race as his followers may well be more inclined to support Santorum over Romney.
I felt that Gingrich had had some talks with Perry, possibly providing some conditional concessions, to get Perry, who was gung ho about South Carolina, to drop out of the race and endorse Gingrich. It was immediately after Perry's withdrawal that Gingrich experienced his biggest surge, passing Romney in the polling.
Yeah what a joke Paul has become IMO (as if his isolationalist, drug-legalization, gold-standard b.s. wasn't enough). He seems to be hitching his wagons to whomever the frontrunner is because during the Florida debate he more than once mentioned that he might be preparing to back Gingrich, but that he had to maybe try and change Newt's policy on foreign affairs.
Now he comes out to help Romney by accusing Santorum of being a fake, a charge which MSNBC's Laurence O' Donnell of all people defended Santorum on, calling Paul the biggest fake in the entire field because of his phony libertarian stance.
Of course Paul's already alienated a good deal of his supporters when the rumors of him being racist came out, and I just don't think that the anti-establishment types that Paul attracts would get behind any of these other candidates.
I can't stand this field of GOP candidates. I'd vote for Gingrich if I didn't think he was suffering from Early-onset Alzheimer's & Dementia. There WAS a time when he was the Democrats worst nightmare, you know.
I can't remember who said it but some commentator said that two party democracy is bad enough, we don't need one party democracy.
I halfway hope that Santorum gets the nomination and proceeds to alienate people with his moralizations about sex , womens' rights and contraceptives. If he loses in the fall and I think he would, it might force Republicans to give up some of those particular obsessions. Because we do need a multi-party democracy. We don't need one party captured by someone who has issues with contraception and thinks you should too. Again-religious freedom arguments or individual liberty arguments can work with voters. Puting women back in the social position they enjoyed circa 1959 won't work with voters.
Yes some of that is a caricature of Santorum's positions but not really by all that much. If he wants to fight and die on the hill of going back to pre Vatican II worldview, that's his call. But I think Republicans would be making a big mistake to follow him. No one can see the future of course but there could well be a SC position opening up in the next four years. If Santorum is the nominee, I will virtually guarantee that Obama will be making that SC pick.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
I'd rather have one hundred more years of Obama than give Mitt Romney the satisfaction of being President for even one second...I can't stand that son of a bitch.
That speaks volumes, FN, because you're a Conservative Republican. And that's exactly why the Republicans can't win this year. The Conservative base would rather have four more years of Obama than a potential eight years with Mittens.
And Lilo is right on the money. Santorum thinks America needs to revert to a 1950's sitcom morality (a morality that only existed on television, by the way). He's as much a revisionist as Glenn Back, and possibly just as fucking crazy.
Off topic, where has Beck been this election year? He's been oddly silent.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Yeah, but he hasn't said or done anything really outrageous (yet) this election year. With a nut like him, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
You know when Obama made his demand that everybody goes to college in his SOTU address, I thought it was condescending deft-tone pandering to say the least. Reading the Internet, I wasn't the only one. The problem aint kids not getting their degrees, it's that there aren't jobs for them once they get their papers.
Ricky though is just totally daft. He's the real deal.
Santorum: Obama 'A Snob' For Wanting Everyone To Go To College
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President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob," Santorum said as the crowd howled with laughter and applause. "There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren't taught by some liberal college professor."
Santorum said he knows the real reason Obama wants more Americans on college campuses.
"That's why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image," Santorum said to more applause. "I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his."
RR, let's not exaggerate here. "... aren't jobs for them." is an exaggeration. It's to be expected that an economy can't accomodate everyone who seeks employment even in the best of economic times. An education allows one to step down; lack of one prohibits stepping up.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
I don't know. Actually I think more and more a college education is necessary to get a decent job with a decent wage. I can't imagine my grandkids NOT going to college. My parents never finished high school. High school diploma for my generation was a must (college was a plus). But for today's young people, college has become a necessity, even in, and in spite of the bad job market today.
I would rather encourage college than to not.
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !
Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !
Abit off track here , but the Barefoot Bandit, did alot of things with out getting into college, by self study, of course what he saved on college he has to pay in other matters. But if there is will and determination, many things can be accomplished in life !
Or she falls on you (all 275 pounds).
I tried that pool arobics out LMAO. So didn't have to only spend abit of time under water. She said she got excited .
Thanks, ronnierocket I knew you were gonna get me on that I owe ya one ! Your a good man I don't care what anyone else says about you, you have seen how they what they have said about me it is a shame I am so sensitive .
I'll admit, even as a partial liberal I'm sorta tired of these "GOP are doomed this fall" articles coming out of mostly Democratic-leaning media. I say that only because I fear it's become a mindless meme, repeat an idea enough times and it becomes our reality, short of necessary informed independent thought and verification.
That said, I'll post this lengthy, long article that's a must read.
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"...many Republicans "are already looking past 2012. If either Romney or Santorum gains the nomination and then falls before Obama, flubbing an election that just months ago seemed eminently winnable, it will unleash a GOP apocalypse on November 7 -- followed by an epic struggle between the regulars and red-hots to refashion the party. And make no mistake: A loss is what the GOP's political class now expects."
Scariest detail is a predix by a GOPer that if Mittens is the fall nominee and loses, the person most ripe to take advantage in '16 will be...Sarah Palin. I disagree, but there is some logic to that argument as put forward. (Same with the idea that if Santorum gets the nod and crashes, Christie and Daniels will greatly benefit.)
The real damning piece, the one that everybody else is highlighting, comes from GOP strategist Ed Rollins, who of course managed Reagan's 1984 re-election campaign:
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"Six months before this thing got going, every Republican I know was saying, 'We're gonna win, we're gonna beat Obama.' Now even those who've endorsed Romney say, "My God, what a fucking mess."'
Ronnie, your post reminds a bit of the plight of the Democrats in 1984. Reagan's popularity was at such a height that some speculated that it could take decades for the Democrats to recover. He then held bigger leads in the polls than Obama currently enjoys. In fact, his popularity among young voters was cause for deep concern among the Dems.
There was brief optimism twice for Mondale in that race: after the Democratic Convention he pulled even in some polls; and after the first debate with Reagan, in which Mondale was much better prepared than Reagan, he made up a temporary chunk of ground.
But in the weeks before the election, Mondale was trailing in every state, including his own. I remember a Mondale regional volunteer-leader trying to start some enthusiasm by saying that California, Reagan's home state, was the closest state for Mondale (he was down by only 10 pct. points), and no candidate ever lost his home state and won the election.
Today the Republicans' task isn't quite as daunting, but they need a lot of things to happen to defeat Obama.
‘The Country Deserves Better’: Maine Gov Unloads On GOP Field
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In remarks captured by the Portland Press Herald, Maine Republican Gov. Paul LePage unloaded on the GOP 2012 field Saturday, decrying all the candidates as damaged goods after having battered each other. He said the country “deserves better” than the current crop and called for a brokered convention to pick a dark horse candidate to challenge President Obama.
“The candidates in this primary have beat themselves up so badly it would be nice to have a fresh face that we all could say, ‘Okay.’ The country deserves better than having people stand up and keep criticizing each other,” said LePage, according to the Press Herald.
He told reporters at the National Governors Association meeting that the remaining candidates have all “injured themselves and injured the party” to the point where he’d “love to see a good old-fashioned convention and a dark horse” emerge from it.
I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.
That's about right, Oli.
Off topic, did you see Jan Brewer on "Meet the Press" this morning?
God, talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. That woman just doesn't "get it," either.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.
Christie says contested GOP convention is possible
Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie isn't ruling out the possibility the topsy-turvy GOP presidential race ends up in a contested party convention this summer if Mitt Romney loses Tuesday's Michigan primary.
Christie, who's endorsed Romney, says he thinks Romney will beat Rick Santorum — and that would lessen chances of a convention fight.
But Christie notes the race has had several different front-runners and probably will keep going up and down.
He tells CBS' "Face the Nation" that "we have to be patient and take a deep breath and let this process work its way out."
The governor says he's not really interested in being a vice presidential candidate, but would listen if Romney asked because "I love my party enough and I love my country enough to listen."
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Santorum says he doesn't believe in separation of church and state
Associated Press, By Lee-Anne Goodman
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy's assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.
"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC's "This Week."
"The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square."
Santorum's latest foray into the hot-button, faith-based issues that so fire up the party's evangelical base comes as his chief rival for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney, begins to pull ahead slightly in the state of Michigan, where he was born and raised.
Both Michigan and Arizona hold their primaries Tuesday.
While Romney's been battling Santorum in Michigan for the past two weeks, polls suggest he's got a comfortable lead in Arizona, a winner-take-all contest in terms of delegate allocation. Michigan's delegates, on the other hand, are rewarded based on results.
The former Massachusetts governor got a boost Sunday from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who endorsed him as "the man that can carry the day" on NBC's "Meet The Press."
"He has that pro-business background, and he has that political history that I think he would serve America the best."
Brewer's endorsement is considered a boon to Romney's insistence that he's the toughest in the Republican field on illegal immigration. Brewer has been a fierce defender of her state's strict immigration policies, and Romney called Arizona a "model" on the issue in the last Republican debate.
Romney is the native son of Michigan, however, where his father served both as governor and a car company executive. A loss there would be regarded as devastating to his campaign.
Nonetheless, both Romney and Santorum have said they opposed the federal government's bailout of the auto industry in the state where millions work for car manufacturers. Romney even penned a New York Times opinion piece four years ago with the headline: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."
Republican foes have seized upon that headline in advance of a speech by President Barack Obama on Tuesday to the United Auto Workers conference in Washington to celebrate "the rescue of Detroit."
The autoworkers plastered "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" on 26 American-made vehicles at a Romney event in Detroit on Friday.
Beyond Michigan, however, Santorum's startling stances on social issues like birth control and religion are getting the most attention countrywide.
He's been unapologetic about some of his more controversial remarks, even reiterating Sunday his past remarks that Kennedy's 1960 speech in Houston made "me want to throw up."
"To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? What makes me throw up is someone who is now trying to tell people that you will do what the government says," Santorum said.
"That now we're going to turn around and impose our values from the government on people of faith."
America is all about embracing diversity, he added.
"What we saw in Kennedy's speech was just the opposite, and that's what's so upsetting about it," he said.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Looks like Christie is leaving the VP door slightly open.
He'll never fit through unless the door is wide open.
All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
I just saw David Gregory interview Santorum. Santorum just doesn't get it. He just can't see the difference between his beliefs and representing a pluralist society.
That's about right, Oli.
Off topic, did you see Jan Brewer on "Meet the Press" this morning?
God, talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. That woman just doesn't "get it," either.
Yes, I saw and listened to her. It's getting worrisome that so many Republicans refuse to acknowledge our pluralist society. They also refuse to acknowledge that conservatism has many shades. Santorum in particular fails to recognize that there are plenty of Americans who just don't like Catholics and will never vote for a Catholic candidate. Just as Jim Jeffress.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
All kidding aside, he's much too slovenly to hold such a high office. It's not politically correct, but sloppy fat guys just don't get elected President.
That's a good point in a large field of candidates, but I don't know how much of a factor it would be between VP candidates of the two major parties. If he was running for the top spot, though, I think it's a very valid point.
Using today's standards for choosing our leaders, it's hard to picture Obama being beat. He's young and a nice looking guy. He's athletic, he's extremely articulate, he's smart and savvy and hell, he can even sing!!