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Re: The Family Corleone
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Re: The Family Corleone
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It's set 1933-1934 mostly. Frankie Pentangelli and Genco are both part of the story, as are Clemenza, Tessio, Luca Brasi, The Rosato brother, The Barzinis, and lots of other characters from the original books and movies--and then there's a whole other crew of Irish gangsters that are part of the story, too. Vito's there, too. One of the early reviews said the depiction of Vito was especially good.
Thanks for the info. Do they introduce or expand on any corleone mobsters
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Re: The Family Corleone
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In the Corleone family, there's Richie Gatto who's important. He's Paulie Gatto's father. Then Luca Brasi, before he joins the Corleone family has a whole gang of his own, like five characters. Tessio has guys working under him who aren't in the movie or book, and so does Clemenza. Frankie Pentangeli has guys with him, too. Then there are the other families and the Irish, so it's a pretty big cast of characters. Part of the story in the first section is how Luca Brasi comes to be so loyal to Vito. And Santino . . . Well, I don't want to give away anything in the book, but, yes, there are more Corleone family characters.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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In the Corleone family, there's Richie Gatto who's important. He's Paulie Gatto's father. Then Luca Brasi, before he joins the Corleone family has a whole gang of his own, like five characters. Tessio has guys working under him who aren't in the movie or book, and so does Clemenza. Frankie Pentangeli has guys with him, too. Then there are the other families and the Irish, so it's a pretty big cast of characters. Part of the story in the first section is how Luca Brasi comes to be so loyal to Vito. And Santino . . . Well, I don't want to give away anything in the book, but, yes, there are more Corleone family characters.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I think Falco constantly mentioning that he's Edie Falco's uncle is kind of shameless and tacky. He's definitely trying to too hard to capitalize on Sopranos' fans there. But I'm going to try to read the book with an open mind. Here's the first chapter from Publisher's Weekly: First Look: The Family Corleone by Ed Falco Chapter One from the new Godfather prequel By Ed Falco A new Godfather book hits this week, and we've got the first chapter. Working from a Mario Puzo screenplay, novelist Ed Falco (uncle of Edie Falco, a.k.a. Carmela Soprano) goes back to 1933 New York for The Family Corleone, where a 17-year-old Sonny Corleone is just starting to learn the family business. Fall 1933 1. Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass. He had watched the building go up from the ground, and he liked to tell the boys how he’d been one of the last men to have dinner at the old Waldorf-Astoria, that magnificent hotel that once stood where the world’s tallest building now loomed. He stepped back from the window and brushed dust from his suit jacket. Below him, on the street, a big man in work clothes sat atop a junk cart traveling lazily toward the corner. He carried a black derby riding on his knee as he jangled a set of worn leather reins over the flank of a swayback horse. Giuseppe watched the wagon roll by. When it turned the corner, he took his hat from the window ledge, held it to his heart, and looked at his reflection in a pane of glass. His hair was white now, but still thick and full, and he brushed it back with the palm of his hand. He adjusted the knot and straightened his tie where it had bunched up slightly as it disappeared into his vest. In a shadowy corner of the empty apartment behind him, Jake LaConti tried to speak, but all Giuseppe heard was a guttural mumbling. When he turned around, Tomasino came through the apartment door and lumbered into the room carrying a brown paper bag. His hair was unkempt as always, though Giuseppe had told him a hundred times to keep it combed—and he needed a shave, as always. Everything about Tomasino was messy. Giuseppe fixed him with a look of contempt that Tomasino, as usual, didn’t notice. His tie was loose, his shirt collar unbuttoned, and there was blood on his wrinkled jacket. Tufts of curly black hair stuck out from his open collar. “He say anything?” Tomasino pulled a bottle of scotch out of the paper bag, unscrewed the cap, and took a swig. Giuseppe looked at his wristwatch. It was eight thirty in the morning. “Does he look like he can say anything, Tommy?” Jake’s face was battered. His jaw dangled toward his chest. Tomasino said, “I didn’t mean to break his jaw.” “Give him a drink,” Giuseppe said. “See if that helps.” Jake was sprawled out with his torso propped up against the wall and his legs twisted under him. Tommy had pulled him out of his hotel room at six in the morning, and he still had on the black-andwhite-striped silk pajamas he had worn to bed the night before, only now the top two buttons had been ripped away to reveal the muscular chest of a man in his thirties, about half Giuseppe’s age. As Tommy knelt to Jake and lifted him slightly, positioning his head so that he could pour scotch down his throat, Giuseppe watched with interest and waited to see if the liquor would help. He had sent Tommy down to the car for the scotch after Jake had passed out. The kid coughed, sending a spattering of blood down his chest. He squinted through swollen eyes and said something that would have been impossible to make out had he not been saying the same three words over and over throughout the beating. “He’s my father,” he said, though it came out as ’E mah fad’. “Yeah, we know.” Tommy looked to Giuseppe. “You got to give it to him,” he said. “The kid’s loyal.” Giuseppe knelt beside Tomasino. “Jake,” he said. “Giacomo. I’ll find him anyway.” He pulled a handkerchief from his pocket and used it to keep his hands from getting bloody as he turned the kid’s face to look at him. “Your old man,” he said, “Rosario’s day has come. There’s nothing you can do. Rosario, his day is over. You understand me, Jake?” “Sì,” Giacomo said, the single syllable coming out clearly. “Good,” Giuseppe said. “Where is he? Where’s the son of a bitch hiding?” Giacomo tried to move his right arm, which was broken, and groaned at the pain. Tommy yelled, “Tell us where he is, Jake! What the hell’s wrong with you!” Giacomo tried to open his eyes, as if straining to see who was yelling at him. “ ’E mah fad’,” he said. “Che cazzo!” Giuseppe threw up his hands. He watched Jake and listened to his strained breathing. The shouts of children playing came up loud from the street and then faded. He looked to Tomasino before he exited the apartment. In the hall, he waited at the door until he heard the muffled report of a silencer, a sound like a hammer striking wood. When Tommy joined him, Giuseppe said, “Are you sure you finished him?” He put on his hat and fixed it the way he liked, with the brim down. “What do you think, Joe?” Tommy asked. “I don’t know what I’m doing?” When Giuseppe didn’t answer, he rolled his eyes. “The top of his head’s gone. His brains are all over the floor.” At the stairwell, atop the single flight of steps down to the street, Giuseppe stopped and said, “He wouldn’t betray his father. You gotta respect him for that.” “He was tough,” Tommy said. “I still think you should’ve let me work on his teeth. I’m telling you, ain’t nobody won’t talk after a little of that.” Giuseppe shrugged, admitting Tommy might have been right. “There’s still the other son,” he said. “We making any progress on that?” “Not yet,” Tommy said. “Could be he’s hiding out with Rosario.” Giuseppe considered Rosario’s other son for a heartbeat before his thoughts shifted back to Jake LaConti and how the kid couldn’t be beaten into betraying his father. “You know what?” he said to Tomasino. “Call the mother and tell her where to find him.” He paused, thinking, and added, “They’ll get a good undertaker, they’ll fix him up nice, they can have a big funeral.” Tommy said, “I don’t know about fixing him up, Joe.” “What’s the name of the undertaker did such a good job on O’Banion?” Giuseppe asked. “Yeah, I know the guy you mean.” “Get him,” Giuseppe said, and he tapped Tommy on the chest. “I’ll take care of it myself, out of my own pocket. The family don’t have to know. Tell him to offer them his services for free, he’s a friend of Jake’s, and so on. We can do that, right?” “Sure,” Tommy said. “That’s good of you, Joe.” He patted Giuseppe’s arm. “All right,” Giuseppe said. “So that’s that,” and he started down the stairs, taking the steps two at a time, like a kid. From The Family Corleone by Ed Falco, Copyright (c) 2012 by Ed Falco. Reprinted courtesy of Grand Central Publishing.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Falco's written like a dozen books and plays before this one, dating back before Edie Falco got famous. I bet anything he doesn't like always being identified in publicity as "Edie Falco's uncle." I know I wouldn't like it. But she's famous and I'm sure he can't tell Publisher's Weekly or anyone else not to always mention her. Whatever you say, Ed, er, Rich .
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Whatever you say, Ed, er, Rich . Rich, pay no attention to that rude gavone, pizzaboy. Errr, could you get me your niece's, Edie, autograph?
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Re: The Family Corleone
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That was fast! Okay, so busted, and quickly. Full confession: I've been following you guys for a long time. Nobody but nobody knows more about The Godfather than some of you who post here. I was kind of hoping I could covertly overhear what your responses were to the novel, but clearly I blew it. Anyway, let me just say one thing: I seriously don't like always being identified as Edie's uncle, but Edie's a sweetheart and a wonderful human being and there's nothing either she or I can do about it. And one more thing: thanks for all the depth and detail in your knowledge of everything Godfather. You've been a great resource. I've gotten to kind of like Rich Certo. Think I'll keep it as an alias. Full disclosure: Now that you've "come clean," I think I'll be able to read the book with a much more open mind. I was honestly trying to bait you into admitting that you were Falco. I'm glad I was right. But be forewarned: If the book isn't any good, we're going to let you know about it. We were absolute murder on Winegardner. He still gets the occasional bomb threat from some of us .
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Trust me, I have no doubt that you'll express your opinions clearly. If you don't like it, I won't be defending it. I did the research, wrote the book, and now it's out of my hands. You're opening yourself to some heartache. Some of our members will go over the book with a magnifying glass. Some will split hairs and go into minute detail. OK, to start, with the book's first paragraph: Fall 1933
Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass.
The needle-like antenna was not in place at the top of the Empire State Bldg in 1933. That came later (trust a "King Kong" fan to know this). OK.... OK... cheap shot; I'm just being a smartass. I'm looking forward to reading this, and I wish you good luck with it.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Having an error in your opening paragraph, requires that every member receive a free autographed poster of Edie Falco not as Carmela Soprano but Nurse Jackie! Trust me, I have no doubt that you'll express your opinions clearly. If you don't like it, I won't be defending it. I did the research, wrote the book, and now it's out of my hands. You're opening yourself to some heartache. Some of our members will go over the book with a magnifying glass. Some will split hairs and go into minute detail. OK, to start, with the book's first paragraph: Fall 1933
Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass.
The needle-like antenna was not in place at the top of the Empire State Bldg in 1933. That came later (trust a "King Kong" fan to know this). OK.... OK... cheap shot; I'm just being a smartass. I'm looking forward to reading this, and I wish you good luck with it.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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That was fast! Okay, so busted, and quickly. Full confession: I've been following you guys for a long time. Nobody but nobody knows more about The Godfather than some of you who post here. I was kind of hoping I could covertly overhear what your responses were to the novel, but clearly I blew it. Anyway, let me just say one thing: I seriously don't like always being identified as Edie's uncle, but Edie's a sweetheart and a wonderful human being and there's nothing either she or I can do about it. And one more thing: thanks for all the depth and detail in your knowledge of everything Godfather. You've been a great resource. I've gotten to kind of like Rich Certo. Think I'll keep it as an alias. Okay, first question: is this Giuseppe Mariposa the main antagonist of the novel? And if so, why did you change the name? Nevermind, I see that you already answered this question in the other topic. I assumed you were just one of those marketing guys.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I'm crying laughing at this thread. The book will be successful no need to go see Dr. Melfi. There's so much mob bolshit in the news the past year the audience has grown tremendously for Italian-American Organized Crime. Sonny: I think I may soon wish I was one of those marketing guys. I'm a fan of your posts, by the way.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Sonny: I think I may soon wish I was one of those marketing guys. I'm a fan of your posts, by the way. And I hope I and others here will become a fan of your novel too. It's a good thing that you're here and I think the members here will respect you for it, especially if your novel will be well received (fingers crossed). Btw, If I was you I should be particulary interested in Turnbull's posts, although he focusses more on The Godfather II years.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Steven Lynch panned the book in today's Post, but provided an interesting Corleone Family timeline for fans. It should be noted that he included Winegardner's books in said timeline. An offer you can refuseA lost tale of ‘The Godfather’ fills in the tale of Luca Brasi — but did we need to know?By STEPHEN LYNCH, NY Post The Family Corleone by Ed Falco, based on a screenplay by Mario PuzoGrand Central Publishing He barely appears in the movie, yet Luca Brasi steals “The Godfather.” Maybe because he’s the subject of two of the film’s most immortal lines — Luca helps administer “the offer he can’t refuse,” and after he’s garrotted, he “sleeps with the fishes.” He doesn’t kill anyone in the movie, yet he’s still the scariest capo. No surprise, then, that Mario Puzo thought fans would welcome a return of Don Corleone’s personal diàvolo. In early drafts of the script to “The Godfather Part III,” Puzo structured it like the previous sequel, weaving in flashbacks of Corleone’s rise to power in the 1930s, including how he recruited Brasi. After Puzo’s death in 1999, his agent found this lost screenplay and gave it to novelist Ed Falco. The Corleones, with their constant whining about “going legit” between beating guys with tire irons, remain irresistible. It’s 1933-34, the end of Prohibition, and Vito is still trying to consolidate his power. There are vendettas, street shootings and so many descriptions of Italian food that the book includes a glossary. But, like many prequels, “The Family Corleone” suffers from a fill-in-the-blank quality, fleshing out things that didn’t need to be explained — like Sonny’s temper or exactly how Tom Hagen was brought into the family. The worst, disappointingly, is Luca. We watch as Brasi’s brutality leads him to despair, and how he becomes indebted to Vito. But his childhood traumas don’t make him any deeper of a character. The diàvolo isn’t in the details. The more you find out about Luca, the less scary he becomes — and no “Godfather” fan wants that. The ‘Godfather’ century 1901 Young Vito Andolini’s father, mother and brother are murdered by a local mob boss in Corleone, Sicily. Vito escapes to America, where immigration officials name him after his hometown (“The Godfather Part II”). 1920 Vito kills local mob boss Fanucci, who’s been squeezing merchants for protection money, and becomes the new power in the neighborhood. (“The Godfather Part II”). 1925 Vito returns to Sicily and kills Don Ciccio, the man who murdered his family. 1933-34 Time frame of new novel, “The Family Corleone,” based on a Mario Puzo screenplay. Vito vies for power with other families and gangs, including that of enforcer Luca Brasi. His son Sonny is starting to get into the family business, while the boy he raised, Tom Hagen, studies to be a lawyer at NYU. 1941 Vito’s son Michael enlists in the Marines after the Pearl Harbor attack. 1945 Vito is gravely wounded in an assassination attempt (“The Godfather”) which will eventually pit the Corleones against the Tattaglia and Barzini families. 1946 Michael avenges his father’s shooting (“The Godfather”) and must flee to Sicily, where he gets married. Poor Apollonia is blown up by Corleone enemies (“The Godfather Part II”). 1946-48Acting boss Sonny Corleone sends brother Fredo to Vegas to learn the casino business (the novel “The Godfather’s Returns” expands on this period). Back in New York, Sonny is killed on the tollway (“The Godfather”). 1949Michael is allowed to return to America. He marries his girlfriend Kay (“The Godfather”). 1955Vito dies of a heart attack at age 63 (“The Godfather”). 1958-59Michael moves the family business to Las Vegas, after fending off threats from other families and Senate sub-committees. Brother Fredo betrays Michael to gangster Hyman Roth, but is discovered. Michael has Fredo killed (“The Godfather Part II”). 1963 Time frame of the novel “The Godfather’s Revenge.” Tom Hagen is killed by a former member of the Corleone family who has been betrayed. 1979 Events of “The Godfather Part III.” Michael is divorced, wracked with guilt over killing his brother and still chasing that dream of going legitimate. A deal involving the Vatican goes bad, however, leaving his daughter dead and him broken. 1997Like his father, Michael dies, ironically, not of murder but old age (“The Godfather Part III”). Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/boo...K#ixzz1u6tWLnVO
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Yeah, The NY Post didn't like it, but The Washington Post did, if reluctantly. http://wapo.st/Ja5MExAnd tomorrow's USA Today has a nice story: http://usat.ly/KdEtvTTomorrow I'll be on the road all day traveling to NY, and can probably use the break from checking reviews and stories. I'm looking forward to being back in NY City for a week . . .
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Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass.
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Giuseppe Mariposa then saw a beautiful young lady, having his face pressed against the glass they locked eyes. She slowly came over and lifted up her dress for little Giuseppe, he took his hands off his hips and from behind glass, he began to notice his needlike antenna was starting to obstruct the view of the window with a cloudy white substance..Giuseppe seemed to lose touch with reality, and then finally realized he was at a cat-house that belonged to vito. Hes startled as the glass is shattered from an ape-like creature that had fallen from the sky, he had come from Hollywood but his poor english had confused Vito after feeding the creature whether he wore to go back to hollywood florida or universal studios in hollywood calforinia. Gisuepe felt that this ape creature who with Benjamin Sigel in LA, would serve as a good enforcer for his crew.Vito Agreed, and sat the ape down and explained to him what kind of business they were in. They eat all kinds of Italian shit the shit you read about in every mob book.Vito had then instructed Giuseppe to take the ape to the local tailor George Anastasia, who fitted the ape with a nice tailored suit, a fedora and a pair of suspenders. George rang the ape up and after hearing the price of 60.00...The ape let out a loud cry to be heard for miles he threw George Anastassia threw the window whose head was squashed by a passing car.
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Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass.
Giuseppe Mariposa then saw a beautiful young lady, having his face pressed against the glass they locked eyes. She slowly came over and lifted up her dress for little Giuseppe, he took his hands off his hips and from behind glass, he began to notice his needlike antenna was starting to obstruct the view of the window with a cloudy white substance..Giuseppe seemed to lose touch with reality, and then finally realized he was at a cat-house that belonged to vito. Since I didn't get a review copy (despite my written request), I'm not sure if this is a direct quote, or your fantasy ....
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Geoff I edit by intro a little bit, since your review copy hasn't arrived yet. Giuseppe Mariposa waited at the window with his hands on his hips and his eyes on the Empire State Building. To see the top of the building, the needlelike antenna piercing a pale blue sky, he leaned into the window frame and pressed his face against the glass.
Giuseppe Mariposa then saw a beautiful young lady, having his face pressed against the glass they locked eyes. She slowly came over and lifted up her dress for little Giuseppe, he took his hands off his hips and from behind glass, he began to notice his needlike antenna was starting to obstruct the view of the window with a cloudy white substance..Giuseppe seemed to lose touch with reality, and then finally realized he was at a cat-house that belonged to vito. Since I didn't get a review copy (despite my written request), I'm not sure if this is a direct quote, or your fantasy ....
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Did you sober up or something Dicknose? Your posts seem to be a lot more coherent. Still crazy, but more coherent.
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Tattaglia doesn't seem to be either. Neither is Sollozzo. Maybe their names were changed at Ellis Island.
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I only said it's not an Italian name and it's not. If someone were going to make a fictional Italian character, that wouldn't be the name to choose; at least it shouldn't be. And according to that site, there's roughly hundreds of "Smith" in Italy, too. So where does this name come from then? It does sound more Italian than any other language. We all know Smith is evidently not an Italian name.
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Sonnny don't take life so seriously or before you know it your hair will turn bright white and you'll be telling strangers that your name is Richard. Not Richard Certo but perhaps Richard Simmons that's a good one to use on the ladies. Thanks Sonny. I'm a fan of your posts as well. I guess not everyone feels the same way. Dicknose, you should write a parody of The Godfather. Give me a break man, I'm just some guy on this board. But you're probably sarcastic anyway.
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I had another VOP so I got the mouthpiece to have me sent down south for the winter rather then a cell. Did you sober up or something Dicknose? Your posts seem to be a lot more coherent. Still crazy, but more coherent.
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What does Dennis Hopper say in the movie True Romance. The answer that such a name, although it hails from Spain, might therefore exists in those parts of Italy. I bet there are a lot of Southern Italians with Spanish ancestry.
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Giuseppe despite his Italian first name was called out by the Boss's hothead son, Sonny, about being of Spanish descent and not Italian. The family over just a span of a few days had a sit-down. The ape who killed George Anastasia was now atop the empire state building hiding out. Vito disgusted with working with a bunch of amateurs,scolds Sonny into pre-screening better candidates for the family. "Sonny I'm very dissapointed in you, this Giuseppe character hes not even Italian, where is the honor.(Waiter comes over with a bunch of Italian Food.) Vito: Enough F'n Food Francisco, just bring me a glass of wine and a gun." If I wanted to start a faction of the United Nations I would of went to Washington to start recruiting people. We have Tom away at school, the ape is hiding out, and now some random Spanish kid.
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Is there a book based in 21st century about Vincent corleone? Cause if not and if your book is good ed/Richie them you should do it!
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I think they should leave the series alone. Were not talking about Harry Potter here. Is there a book based in 21st century about Vincent corleone? Cause if not and if your book is good ed/Richie them you should do it!
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true that. but if this book is good and he writes in same style it would be good
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I'd love to see a book about the final ruination of the Corleone Family in the 1990s under Vincent's leadership. I think one of the script ideas was that he took the family fully into the narcotics trade and in the end was killed in a manner similar to Pablo Escobar. Not exactly original, too much like Scarface. Something less predictable would be better or with a twist, like he gives up the life and follows Hagen's son into the priesthood.
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I got my copy yesterday. I've read the jacket cover only and have already been disgusted by a "mistake" by Falco. The cover is reliving a discussion between Vito and Carmela about their eldest son. Vito says, "Sonny will be OK".
VITO NEVER CALLED HIS OLDEST SON, "SONNY". IT WAS ALWAYS, "SANTINO".
C'mon, Ed, if you're gonna write a book about the Corleones, you have to know this stuff!!!! That's honestly unforgivable. Between that and the ridiculous Empire State Building anachronism on page one---PAGE ONE!!!!---this book is already competing with Alexandra Ripley's literary "sequel" to "Gone With the Wind." And that ain't a compliment. It's very telling that Paramount made all that noise. They must have known that this book was a dog. Because if it's not, why would they try to stop it when they would still own the inevitable movie rights? But I haven't started it yet. I have my copy sitting on the kitchen table and I'll start it either tonight or tomorrow. And if I'm wrong about it, I'll gladly man up and post a stellar review for poor Ed.
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VITO NEVER CALLED HIS OLDEST SON, "SONNY". IT WAS ALWAYS, "SANTINO".
Vito: "Never. Give him something to earn a living, a good living. But never let him know the Family's business. Tell the others, Sonny, Fredo, Clemenza." Nice one. Guess that means he will survive this round.
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VITO NEVER CALLED HIS OLDEST SON, "SONNY". IT WAS ALWAYS, "SANTINO".
Vito: "Never. Give him something to earn a living, a good living. But never let him know the Family's business. Tell the others, Sonny, Fredo, Clemenza." Nice one. Guess that means he will survive this round. Not so fast. I suspect that olivant, in his rush to find my statement wrong skipped over this quote, a few pages before his quoted line above. Puzo wrote: "Standing at the door with him were two of his three sons. The eldest, baptized Santino but called Sonny by everyone except his father, was looked at askance by the older Italian men;"Puzo chose to add this at the introduction of the character in the novel. It's a telling thing. The line olivant quoted is merely a mistake in editing, something that should have been caught but obviously wasn't.
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lets think of vito as a person, he makes mistakes here and there or says names differently than usual (not perfect wording i know) but still you can't point out that little flaw it's just nit picking.
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i got mine on wednesday. not too bad. better then winegarder or whatever is name is! but only read the first 30 pages
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Ed, what I dont like is you always put in "said". you never put any other word. angelo said blah blah but then you put vinnie said. been more interesting using other words like replied, asked, whispered
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That Vito calls his oldest son Santino while everyone else call him Sonny is Puzo's excellent way of characterizing Vito. Vito is more reserved and formal than the others around him. And I do have Vito almost always refer to Sonny as Santino, but I didn't see it as some kind of rule that could never be broken. In a tender moment between Vito and his wife, he might refer to Santino the same way his wife does, as Sonny. I was trying for a moment of tenderness between Vito and his wife. Here are a couple of particularly good reviews of the novel that came out last week. George De Stefano is the author of An Offer We Can’t Refuse: The Mafia in the Mind of America (Faber & Faber/Farrar, Straus, Giroux). He is also a member of the National Book Critics Circle. From The New York Journal of Books: http://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/review/family-corleoneJon Jordan is ex-cop/detective turned novelist from Milwaukee. From Crimespree: http://crimespreemag.com/blog/?s=The+Family+Corleone
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Liking it so far. Better then the winegardner ones
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I got my copy yesterday. I've read the jacket cover only and have already been disgusted by a "mistake" by Falco. The cover is reliving a discussion between Vito and Carmela about their eldest son. Vito says, "Sonny will be OK".
VITO NEVER CALLED HIS OLDEST SON, "SONNY". IT WAS ALWAYS, "SANTINO".
C'mon, Ed, if you're gonna write a book about the Corleones, you have to know this stuff!!!! I'm not even a nitpicker, but I pretty much noticed that IMMEDIATELY while reading the jacket. Still, as long as the story is good, I'm willing to give it a chance.
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I'm into the second half of the book and things seem to be moving very quickly now!
RichCerto, the gentlemen who did the audio recording for the book did Pentangeli very well!
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Just finished the book. It's a whole lot better than Winegardner's books thats for sure. I would hope Falco will now be the one to attempt a book on the end of the Corleone Saga (Vincent as head of the family)
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One criticism though: I was always under the impression that when Vito was shot by a group of Mad Dog Irishmen it was more than just a shoulder injury. I would have expected that he would have had to be in the hospital. Also Puzo speaks of Sonny taking charge while Vito was down and starting his own regime "like a young napoleon" I didnt see any of that in the novel so for that Im a bit dissappointed
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I would be more interested in a novel which covers the years between 1959 and 1979. So would I. I'd like to see how Connie took care of Michael in the post-Kay era. I'd also like to see just how much contact Michael had with his children during that time period. And, probably most of all, I'd like to see what happened to the Rosato brothers.
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That would be an interesting time. I actually had been thinking up a story like that. That time would be an amazing story though im not sure how you could steer clear of the presidential assassination stuff
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I got mine a couple days ago but haven't started it yet... My copy has arrived, but I may not read it until the summer when I'm on my next vacation. If you only read while on vacation, you should be done with it in no time! lol
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Ordered The Family Corleone on my Nook the other day. Was in the middle of reading another book, Trunk Music by Michael Connelly (I am hooked on his Harry Bosch series of novels) and finished it yesterday. So I started reading The Family Corleone and so far I am enjoying it. Funny thing is that as I read, in my minds eye I see Scott Caan as young Santino. LOL. The resemblance to his father there is eerie! I don't know if I can picture him as Santino though based on the types of characters he's played on Entourage and Hawaii 5-0.
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But as far as adapting "The Family Corleone," Sonny is only 17 years old in the book, Scott Caan is almost 36. He's actually older now than his father was when he played Sonny (James Caan was 31 while filming in 1971). And your point being? With today's technology in hollywood.... Seriously though, I was not suggesting using Scott Caan if a movie was to be made. I merely was pointing out that in my mind's eye I just pictured a young Scott Caan as Sonny while reading. A CGI Sonny? God help us all . I like him, but I think the kid tries too hard emulate his father. It's a deliberate affectation, like Liza trying to be Judy.
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I'll save my full analysis until I'm finished, but while away I got thru a little over half the book -- which is quite an accomplishment for me, and a testament to the author. While not perfect (what is?), so far so good!
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Just wondering, but did you order your copy? Yeah, I got the hardcover from Amazon.com. While I like the idea of being able to read it on a device (Kindle edition is here) anywhere/anytime, I still do prefer holding a book.
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I read it over the Memorial Day weekend, but I was hoping someone else would post an opinion first. Well, I guess I'll start. I'll try not to give too much away, but if you're leery of spoilers you might want to stop reading this post right now. The book was much better than either of Winegardner's. At least Falco has a grasp of Italian American New York. Winegardner is a blue eyed Ohioan, and that's how he chose to portray the protagonist in his books. Big mistake. I enjoyed the storyline of the Irish and the Italians struggling for control of the West Side. I now believe it was indeed based on a Puzo script. I admit I had my doubts. That said, the book still wasn't up to par with anything Puzo ever wrote (and truth be told, I think Puzo was a great storyteller, but not a great writer). The dialogue was also kinda cheesy, but it could just be that a lot of the 1930s patois seems dated today. So what do I know? I could have lived without knowing how Luca became so slow witted. I also didn't need to know that he didn't like to bathe. But my biggest problem with the book was the portrayal of the Rosato brothers as contemporaries of Vito's. Now I could be wrong, but I always felt that the Rosatos were younger "upstarts," and definitely younger than Pentangeli. And if you know that they were based on the Gallo brothers, then you should know that the Gallos were little kids in 1933-1934. I was sympathetic towards Cork and his sister. They both deserved a better fate. And I did enjoy the Bronx setting. So the Corleones lived on Hughes Avenue? We were almost neighbors! I grew up on 187th and Hoffman and still own a property there, so I admit this was a nice surprise . Nice try, Ed. But in the words of Maxwell Smart, you missed it by that much.
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I also have a little trouble with the Rosato brothers already being around in 1933. Bear in mind that the actors who portrayed them were merely 40. Exactly .
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I'm only halfway thru, but have been finding it odd that Luca Brasi has been so verbose and articulate here -- yet in the movie, he was a bumbling idiot. He hardly appeared in the first film, but is practically the star of the novel so far. Which is fine, I guess. But I do like how some backstories have been included. I wanted to wait until I finished to comment, tho... But I did miss the "celebration" beginning that occurs at the beginning of each film... and Vito just doesn't "sound" like himself so far, and has been minimal in the story somehow, so far... But I do like the writing style -- Falco paints a nice picture. Not nearly like Steinbeck or anything, but pretty okay. But some missed spelling edits made me cringe a little. The glossary is cool, tho -- but don't find it necessary to italicize so much. Anyway, I'm gonna wait 'til I'm finished...
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I'm only halfway thru, but have been finding it odd that Luca Brasi has been so verbose and articulate here -- yet in the movie, he was a bumbling idiot. The Luca Brasi in Puzo's novel does not resemblance the Luca Brasi in the film either. In Puzo's novel Luca is "squat", while in the film he's muscular and large. He also talks a lot more in Puzo's novel if I remember correctly. So far (and I'm only in chapter 10) I think Vito and Sonny behave like we know them. They behave much more like themselves than in the Winegardner novel that's for sure.
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I'm only halfway thru, but have been finding it odd that Luca Brasi has been so verbose and articulate here -- yet in the movie, he was a bumbling idiot. There's an explanation given later in the book as to how Luca's speech became slow and dim-witted. The glossary is cool, tho -- but don't find it necessary to italicize so much. Agreed on the italics. They're not really necessary. There seems to be a lot more Italian slang in this book than in any of Puzo's. I guess that's why Falco felt the need for the glossary.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Just finished the book. It's a whole lot better than Winegardner's books thats for sure. I would hope Falco will now be the one to attempt a book on the end of the Corleone Saga (Vincent as head of the family)
****Spolier alert****
One criticism though: I was always under the impression that when Vito was shot by a group of Mad Dog Irishmen it was more than just a shoulder injury. I would have expected that he would have had to be in the hospital. Also Puzo speaks of Sonny taking charge while Vito was down and starting his own regime "like a young napoleon" I didnt see any of that in the novel so for that Im a bit dissappointed There are MANY discrepancies between The Godfatherbook and The Family Corleone..... most notably what you mentioned. This really bothers me. I always liked the idea of Sonny being a "Young Napoleon" and was waiting for him to kick some ass as I read the book. Never really happened. The Luca Basement scene is different, as is Marranzano being changed to Mariposa. Theres a lot more that I can't think of off hand, but these kept me from really enjoying the book
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Re: The Family Corleone
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The question is how much of it is directly taken from the Puzo script, and how much is artistic license. Maybe Puzo changed certain elements from his original novel himself. Agreed. I guess we'll never know. I know Puzo placed discrepancies between his book and the movies (Vincents existence for example), which bothered me also. Too many contradictions in this last installment make the whole body of Godfather work in-cohesive.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Been away for awhile . . .
The basic narrative arc of The Family Corleone comes from Puzo's screenplay. Actually, it's not one screenplay, but rather unproduced pages extracted from The Godfather 3, and pages from The Godfather 4--the movie Coppola and Puzo wanted to make but Paramount scotched. There's a total of about 55 pages of script, and I followed as closely as possible Puzo's story, which was essentially about Sonny entering into his father's business, and Vito's resistance to Sonny being in the business. But 55 pages of script won't stretch into a 450 page novel, so I had to do a lot of inventing built around Puzo's framework. Mostly I did my best to stay true to the spirit of Puzo's work. One book reviewer wrote that it was tough for anyone to write a prequel/sequel to Puzo because his fans are so loyal they'll likely burn the writer in effigy for even trying. So far--at least as far as I know--no one has burned me in effigy, and so I'm grateful. I'm also a Puzo fan. He was a great storyteller. I think The Fortunate Pilgrim is his best book. In fact, I think it's a masterpiece of American Lit. But I also like The Sicilian a great deal, and The Last Don. They're good stories and great reads.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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"Rich", I'll say again, that I'm not a huge reader (damn Internet and real life keeps me away most of the time), but I have to say that I've been absorbed in your fine work! Steinbeck has been my favorite, and you have a stroke of his fine visuals. Your prose is also quite cinematic at times, which really adds to the story -- as I try to visualize how it would appear in a film. I'm not quite finished yet -- have about 80pp to go -- but I'll say you've done a fine job indeed. But I gotta see how it ends first Kudos!
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Re: The Family Corleone
[Re: RichCerto]
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I'm enjoying the story so far too. I'm taking my time to read it. Probably 10-20 pages a day or so. I'm in chapter 13 now. I've noticed that Mrs. Columbo in this novel is actually written as Colombo in the original novel and film. And shouldn't Carmella be written as Carmela? I read somewhere that the name in Italian is only written with one L. Call me a purist or whatever.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I find it intriguing that some of the "little things" that are pointed out actually made it to print. With the loyal and very attentive fan base of all things Godfather/Puzo/FFC coupled with the Winegardner disappointments - how can this be? Please don't perceive this as a call out or disrespect, Mr. Certo but I for one would have liked to see a bit more attention to detail. I realize that these are just small pebbles in the big sea. Please don't be offended. Admittedly, I have not read this yet but I will soon. My general and most likely ignorant comments are based upon first impressions of the feedback on this thread. I look forward to losing myself in this new GF world very very soon. It must have been quite a task to attach all the patches of scripts and unpublished work with a common thread. I'm sure when I have finished all those "little things" will not matter. (Yes - all this from someone who couldn't write a short story if their own life depended upon it! )
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Mr. Certo, just wanted to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed the book. Just thought you'd like to hear that instead of all the nit picking.
Well done, sir. There are at least as many compliments so far as there is nitpicking, which is ofcourse a good thing. Any good writer should endure criticism and nitpicking, especially if it's about The Godfather.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Paulie could not be 10 years old in 1935. In the original novel he is described as being 26 years old in 1945. I caught that too, Sonny. The original novel clearly states that Michael and Paulie were once classmates. That's why Michael felt bad when he heard what happened to Paulie. Falco's novel has Michael being four years older than Paulie. Here's how I feel in a nutshell: Falco's novel was well written, but it was poorly researched. It's one thing to make an anachronism like the needle on the Empire State Building, but to get the ages wrong on major characters is quite another thing. And I still can't get past the Rosato brothers being portrayed as contemporaries of Vito's. They were clearly much younger than Pentangeli in Part II.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I can live with the Rosato brothers being around in the early days, because there's no rule that they should be completely reminiscent to the Gallo brothers, whom they are based on. Afterall, The Godfather has its own universe. I also don't have a problem with the war being set a year later than in the original novel. Remember that Clemenza says in film that the last war took place ten years earlier.
But I can't deny that I also have the impression that this story was written too hastily, based on the many discrepancies. But then again, the original novel and even the films also have many discrepancies, which we are all more than aware of.
The good thing about this novel is that's its much more a novel like the original than the Winegardner stuff. It's much more true to the original novel and the films and is therefore a nice addition. The portrayal of the main characters, like Vito, Sonny and the rest of the family is well done. They all act and behave authentically, based upon their behaviour and personality as seen in the films. I especially liked the story of Sonny and Sandra, which was excellent and very realistic. I very much enjoyed that part. So for that I give Falco a big plus.
But this novel also has too much of an introduction and too less of an ending. IMO, a little too much of the story is focussed on the Irish, and too less on the actual war between the Corleones and Maranzano/Mariposa, which was something that I think this novel was supposed to be about. In the original novel the war went on for six months, while in this novel it only went on for a couple of weeks. So in that perspective, the story lacks information and it leaves many questions unanswered. I'm a little disappointed in the fact that there's no mention of Hyman Roth, Moe Greene or Murder Inc., which was at its height in the mid 1930s.
The story overall is decent, but as of this moment it's not completely fulfiling. I hope that Falco makes some changes in a next edition based on our feedback.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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I can live with the Rosato brothers being around in the early days, because there's no rule that they should be completely reminiscent to the Gallo brothers, whom they are based on. Afterall, The Godfather has its own universe. I also don't have a problem with the war being set a year later than in the original novel. Remember that Clemenza says in film that the last war took place ten years earlier.
But I can't deny that I also have the impression that this story was written too hastily, based on the many discrepancies. But then again, the original novel and even the films also have many discrepancies, which we are all more than aware of.
The good thing about this novel is that's its much more a novel like the original than the Winegardner stuff. It's much more true to the original novel and the films and is therefore a nice addition. The portrayal of the main characters, like Vito, Sonny and the rest of the family is well done. They all act and behave authentically, based upon their behaviour and personality as seen in the films. I especially liked the story of Sonny and Sandra, which was excellent and very realistic. I very much enjoyed that part. So for that I give Falco a big plus.
But this novel also has too much of an introduction and too less of an ending. IMO, a little too much of the story is focussed on the Irish, and too less on the actual war between the Corleones and Maranzano/Mariposa, which was something that I think this novel was supposed to be about. In the original novel the war went on for six months, while in this novel it only went on for a couple of weeks. So in that perspective, the story lacks information and it leaves many questions unanswered. I'm a little disappointed in the fact that there's no mention of Hyman Roth, Moe Greene or Murder Inc., which was at its height in the mid 1930s.
The story overall is decent, but as of this moment it's not completely fulfiling. I hope that Falco makes some changes in a next edition based on our feedback. Well said my friend. I agree all around. Overall I did enjoy the novel as, unlike the other two pieces of Winegardner trash, this was a quick read and overall stood true to the original novel and films. If memory serves me correctly this novel was written based on a screenplay. If that be the case then I can understand that while many things would have to be based around the original novel, overall it would also have to serve some of the things that we saw in the film. So therefore I can understand that some of the things that we may have read in the original novel had to be altered so that they would lean more towards coinciding with the the films. However, with all that being said, there is one particular detail that has troubled me. Now I am going off of memory as it's been a long time since I read Puzo's novel. Am I correct in remembering that in Puzo's novel the Irish gang shot Vito in the throat / chest area causing him to talk with a raspy voice?
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Re: The Family Corleone
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However, with all that being said, there is one particular detail that has troubled me. Now I am going off of memory as it's been a long time since I read Puzo's novel. Am I correct in remembering that in Puzo's novel the Irish gang shot Vito in the throat / chest area causing him to talk with a raspy voice? In Puzo's novel he was hit in the chest. The raspy voice was introduced by Marlon Brando after he had watched tapes of Frank Costello during the Kefauver hearings. Ok, I thought that the novel stated that he was shot in the chest. So why write in this novel that he was shot in the arm? I believe that after reading the Puzo novel and reading that Vito was shot in the chest, Brando felt that Vito should now have a raspy voice. And one other thing that troubled me was that no mention was made of Sonny seeing Vito kill Fannucci. In this novel he says that he saw Vito kill Tom's biological father, but never references his witnessing Vito killing Fannucci. Once again, overall I enjoyed this book. But I am just a bit confused as to why these two key references from the original novel were not mentioned (Fannucci) and changed (Shot in the arm). RichCerto?
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Re: The Family Corleone
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my biggest issue is the "forced post foreshadowing" (a term i invented lol). I know the movie by heart sir. I do NOT need you to describe the towel that Vito shoots Fannuci with or how Vito witnesses his mother being blasted with a shotgun and "her arms flaring up". [and many MANY more]
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Re: The Family Corleone
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As far as the foreshadowing, from the first time I read the line "the furnace roared," and he mentioned it more than once, I knew where he was going. I think we all did.
unfortunately smh. shoot... everything seemed so forced. like there were times where times, like when he was describing the Fannuci hit, that i actually felt so embarrassingly uncomfortable that I physically began gritting my teeth and had to put it down. BUT... all that being said... I will say that I did enjoy the read. It actually gave me more Sonny and Luca (which are 2 of my fave characters). I always felt like I never really knew Luca or Sonny... only the over acted caricatures of the part of their personalities that was needed to be shown to connect dots within the plot.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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What keeps you guys from reading it? Too busy with other stuff, or just not really eager to read it? Mainly because I'm just not a big book reader, but I still have memories of trying to get through Winegardner's books. That's understandable. And I'm also not a big book reader.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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What keeps you guys from reading it? Too busy with other stuff, or just not really eager to read it? Mainly because I'm just not a big book reader, but I still have memories of trying to get through Winegardner's books. Me to I get migranes
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Re: The Family Corleone
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Funny story. My sister has a baby on Wednesday. I go into the giftshop in the hospital(a mini-Indigo book store)and looking right out at me is this novel "The Family Corleone." Where have i been the last six months that i hadn't heard of this?!?!?!?
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Funny story. My sister has a baby on Wednesday. I go into the giftshop in the hospital(a mini-Indigo book store)and looking right out at me is this novel "The Family Corleone." Where have i been the last six months that i hadn't heard of this?!?!?!? Yeah, same thing with me basically. I found out about these news last year, winter? spring?...summer? God, I don't know why I don't even remember when! I also happened to discover this website last year, but anyway a bit more shockingly in your case hah! Of course I haven't been around but still, I think I can say there hasn't been any hype or any talk about this novel. But it might not be the same sort of hypes as with video games. I first found out about those two sequels 2 or 3 years ago described as the now infamous words 'Just Awful'. I am actually planning this year to buy ' Mario Puzo's The Godfather', the first book I'll ever buy, and the only and first book I ever have wanted to own, and I wanna to do so in a few days. Today, just an hour ago I discovered some very exciting news for me, January next year 'The Family Corleone' will be released to my language!
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Re: The Family Corleone
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So to me this is something very big. This is bigger than the sequels! - I mean the books. What were really peoples feelings when they found out about this? I personally couldn't believe what I read when I discovered the news. I just hope there aren't any major things that I really dislike.
What do you really think about this?
Do you think this is much like how Mario would have written it?
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Re: The Family Corleone
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ok I am about finishing this book.I do not generally like people living off from other people's creativity (which often the most difficult to have) but after I read here that it is not bad I gave it a try. I actually enjoyed the book at first a lot then a little bit less, but it passed the test- I read it through.
First of all I think it is better written book than the original stylistically and it is more consistent. The Puzo novel seemed sort of rushed as it had consistency problems and it had parts that were cleverly cut out from the movie that I would never want to read again(apart from the ones I read over and over of course).
The deepth of the story seems to be enough for a 100 pages, but I can accept the added 300 because the story is flowing nicely. Some places the book is more interesting than others, I have to admit that I am not chewing just swallowing when I read so I left out the parts which were not interesting to me skimming them through maybe.(I have to say I could not do this with the original even I read the disturbing parts first) This happened more often in the second part of the book- I liked the beginning much much more. The last few pages just rush through the war, we do not get much out of it.
I liked the Luka story- it actually made more sense than in the original. I liked the story how Sonny became part of the organization and how he made his bones (although I thought he would have a bigger role in the war after the shooting). I did not care about the Sandra story line at all. It was clear where it was heading. For a while I thought she was Theresa and will end up with Tom but I realized my mistake in the middle of the book and lost interest. I guess I just wanted a less straightforward story with that perhaps.
I really did not like (whether it was Puzo's idea or not)that (spoiler) Vito got Tom's father killed, although I can see that the book needed this dramatic effect. However the story gave Vito's character a different angle(motivation), the position of Tom in the family changed (in my opinion it made his loyalty vulnerable. actually a lot of people knew about the murder, who could tell Tom BUT in my opinion to get to understand Tom we need his relationship with Vito& family to be very pure), it gave Sonny's character a different angle- all to the worse.
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I really did not like (whether it was Puzo's idea or not)that (spoiler) Vito got Tom's father killed, although I can see that the book needed this dramatic effect. However the story gave Vito's character a different angle(motivation), the position of Tom in the family changed (in my opinion it made his loyalty vulnerable. actually a lot of people knew about the murder, who could tell Tom BUT in my opinion to get to understand Tom we need his relationship with Vito& family to be very pure), it gave Sonny's character a different angle- all to the worse.
I'm actually glad I heard this before I read it. I really don't like what I hear either. What exactly is Puzos words? Did Falco simply finish what had been started? We all might perceive the characters in our own ways. And even the books and films but I don't like it, and I to me it's also even out of character.
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Well, the book is supposed to be based on a screenplay by Puzo. I am not sure whether the Tom's father thing was in it or not we may never know. In the original novel it is definitely another murder that Sonny observes.
I read the book a couple of more times after the first skimming and I think I appreciate the end a bit more.(although I almost screamed from the forced symbolism of the oranges which, poor things got to the set of the movie to bring some color into the darkness). One more thing that I sort of did not like was Carmela. I think both Puzo and Coppola drew strong women in very different ways. But in this novel her character was reduced to telling people periodically to pray and to cooking. Her religiosity had a different(and actual) role in the original novel.
Oh well, do no get discouraged from reading it though. As you can see I read it in a couple of times in the two weeks it was with me... It was definitely entertaining even if I do not accept some things in the back stories.
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Re: The Family Corleone
[Re: SinatraClub]
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04/23/13 07:24 AM
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I'm thinking of getting this. But I do find the thought of someone other than Puzo writing his characters a bit cheap. But as it looks to have come from a Puzo source I'll get it.
I just wish it featured characters only whom we know from the films and no-one else.
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: The Family Corleone
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12/28/13 04:32 PM
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I'm nearing the end chapter of this, I'm at the beginning of the chapter after the Parade massacre. Needless to say, I like parts of the book, certain parts, as mentioned like, the whole Sandra & Sonny storyline are real bores. While others like the Luca Brasi portions and Sonny's childhood relationship with some of the irish fracturing after the massacre were really good, IMO. I'll have more thoughts after I finish the book, I got it in a pdf format on my computer and took a break for a couple months, I'll get back into it eventually.
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Re: The Family Corleone
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That was fast! Okay, so busted, and quickly. Full confession: I've been following you guys for a long time. Nobody but nobody knows more about The Godfather than some of you who post here. I was kind of hoping I could covertly overhear what your responses were to the novel, but clearly I blew it. Anyway, let me just say one thing: I seriously don't like always being identified as Edie's uncle, but Edie's a sweetheart and a wonderful human being and there's nothing either she or I can do about it. And one more thing: thanks for all the depth and detail in your knowledge of everything Godfather. You've been a great resource. I've gotten to kind of like Rich Certo. Think I'll keep it as an alias. How could you not love Carmela/ Nurse Jackie
"Asking us questions...harass and arrest us ..saying we eat pieces of shiet like u for breakfast ...Huh ya'll eat pieces of shiet..? whats the basis we ain't going no where.. we got suits n cases.. trunk full of coke rental car from avis only now clemente can save us,, I told said solly I acted da fool I'll be gone till November I got bodies too move.... I put pebbles on my hood like Danny Greene here comes the crab n his queen yes barbara actin da fool mess with a pyscho u kno its time to move.
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