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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
[Re: JCrusher]
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guys like demeo killed 200
Probably not. The NYPD cleared 75 homicides and disappearances by attributing them to the DeMeo crew (and that was all of them combined, not just Roy). The 200 figure seems to come from the hyperbole of Artie Ruffels, who for some reason tries to make DeMeo sound even deadlier than he was (apparently 75 murders isn't enough ). In one interview, Ruffels claims the crew killed THREE hundred people. GTFOH Artie!
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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guys like demeo killed 200
Probably not. The NYPD cleared 75 homicides and disappearances by attributing them to the DeMeo crew (and that was all of them combined, not just Roy). The 200 figure seems to come from the hyperbole of Artie Ruffels, who for some reason tries to make DeMeo sound even deadlier than he was (apparently 75 murders isn't enough ). In one interview, Ruffels claims the crew killed THREE hundred people. GTFOH Artie! Not to be outdone by Artie, Dominick Montiglio estimated 500-700 in one interview. No joke.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Not to be outdone by Artie, Dominick Montiglio estimated 500-700 in one interview. No joke.
Wow. Was he drunk or high or something? A lot of law enforcement types do this - exaggerate the significance of the mobsters they are up against, even if the reality of the mobsters is that they were deadly, powerful, and require no exaggeration to sound formidable. Bill Roemer was pretty bad about it. So is Pistone, with his insistence that there's still an open bounty on his head. This is one of the weirder phenomena in the history of law enforcement vs organized crime. I call it "gangster inflation". It is very, very silly.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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I think they say silly numbers like this because of the way in which the crew disposed of the remains and nobody knows for sure an exact figure, so I'd would say it is probably more than 75 but nowhere as high as 200+ .. thats bullshit
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Bill Roemer was pretty bad about it. So is Pistone, with his insistence that there's still an open bounty on his head. This is one of the weirder phenomena in the history of law enforcement vs organized crime. I call it "gangster inflation". It is very, very silly. Pistone has irritated the hell out of me with that. There is no bounty on his head. I don't think there ever was. The LCN was never going to kill a federal agent. It would be nuts. The only guy Pistone needed to fear, was Lefty. He was really, really pissed of with him and a dangerous man. Don't get me wrong: what Pistone did was very courageous. But he needs to drop the hat and the sunglasses.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Bill Roemer was pretty bad about it. So is Pistone, with his insistence that there's still an open bounty on his head. This is one of the weirder phenomena in the history of law enforcement vs organized crime. I call it "gangster inflation". It is very, very silly. Don't get me wrong: what Pistone did was very courageous. But he needs to drop the hat and the sunglasses I agree, Lefty has been dead since about 1994 and I cant see anyone wanting to clip an ex-FBI now because he caused the mob a heap of trouble 30 years ago. All the guys he upset are dead or serving very long sentences As for Demeo, yeah 200 was an over the top estimate but I can well believe the 75-100 figure. Was the 75 "official" figure taking into account any side-Jobs Chris, Joey and Anthony may have done themselves without Roy? These guys were so damn dangerous!
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Was the 75 "official" figure taking into account any side-Jobs Chris, Joey and Anthony may have done themselves without Roy?
IIRC, it included every murder/disappearance that could be plausibly linked with the crew members when it was still a crew, but it didn't include the members' later work for the Luccheses.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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but instead Chapo Guzman and a group gunmen stormed the Disco dressed as military and opened fire killing around 8 members of the Arellano-Felix Organization Chapo did PERSONALLY participate in the hit? Quite unnatural for a gangster THAT important. yeah he's a leader in every sense ... well respected by his guys and feared too, and even more or less walked out of prison in 2002 (I think) and is still on the run, well he is really living well and has a lot of protection and cash - apparently the government (USA/Mexico) is going after him big time and has recently killed one of his top guys - we will have to wait and see how it pans out, I'm sure he wont just stand there like Bin Laden and welcome a few shots from a seal... he will have a few machine guns and go out scarface style baby nice jacket and hat He looks like Vanilla ICE..
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Gaspipe casso.he buried a guy alive.or maybe mad dog Sullivan.he dam near wiped out the irish for the genovese and thanks to that coonan took power
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Exactly. I don't think anyone in Chicago could top DeMeo, probably, in terms of numbers. But Spilotro and DeStefano have to be counted among the most cruel. What they did to Action Jackson was unspeakable--though Gus Russo claims it was because Jackson raped a guy's wife, not because they thought he was a rat. Spilotro also put some guy's head in a vice. DeStefano once kidnapped a black guy and forced the guy to have sex with his (DeStafano's) wife. Brutal:
Savagely violent. Punishingly hard or uncomfortable.
I don't know if there is a single guy that can be said to be the "most brutal" or more brutal than some others.
The guys that were involved in the William "Action" Jackson murder would be up there. Basically any guys that wanted a guy to suffer rather than just put two in his head.
But maybe the definition could also apply in terms of a total body count. So guys like Roy DeMeo, Nicky Scarfo, Gaspipe Casso, etc. would be up there. To say nothing of the guys back in the day like Anastasia and Genovese.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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the german,boot,mickey p,scarpa,the irishman,'greek',charlie c,gaspipe,spero,the two cops, and a lot more guys that most here wouldnt know.
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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You can't forget Griselda Blanco, Il Madrina, the godmother of cocaine in Miami in the 80's. Far more ruthless and deadly than many mobsters,by a longshot Precisely who I was referring too
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Re: Most brutal guy in OC in American History?
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Pistone proved there wasn't a bounty on his head when he he visited popular Bonanno hangouts while shooting a documentary. He was called an "f'n rat" and he put on a nervous smile. Yeah, thirty years later after all those guys he put in the can are dead he has balls! If he wasnt concerned why the "nervous smile". He probably had fifty Cops there with him!
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