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Labour Racketeering
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Can someone detail how labour racketeering works. I know the mob can make money several ways by using the unions but how do they actually do it? What does the mob control nowadays apart from construction and the waterfront? Or nothing apart from those two things?
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Controlling a union is an extremely lucrative business. Corrupted union officials can easily put the squeeze on companies and require payments for "labor peace". If the Mafia has influence over a labor union, it can allow a Mafia-controlled business to operate without a union contract, while forcing unions to enforce the union contract against non-Mafia controlled businesses. It´s all about creating a "monopoly" in the field where ever the Mafia is involved. Or trying to gain an upper hand against the competitors.
But there are legitimate ways to use the union as well. Placing a Mafia member in a legitimate job in the union; placing a Mafia member in an official position in the union; or having a member in a "ghost payroll," or "no-show" job on a construction site for example. A "no-show" job is when a Mafia member recieves payment, salary, without actually doing any work, not showing up at work at all.
But let´s not forget the Big-Daddy-o way of extracting financial means from unions and it´s members; controlling the various worker´s pension funds connected to big, powerful, strong in numbers unions. A pension fund is supposed to pay out to retirees and/or to former workers who suffered disabilities connected to their work. The trick, however, is that the pay outs always are held far below than what it should be. Complainers who are victimized often find several technicalities in the fund´s regulations that give the fund the right to withhold parts of the payments. The fund uses loopholes to keep as much money as possible. The Mafia often has control over these funds and uses the money in investments. For example, a lot of money from Teamster´s pension funds were used for hotel and casino investments in Las Vegas or other real estate investments. And money from the funds are used as loans to Mafia members or its cronies and put into fully legit enterprises. But of course, when it´s time to repay the loan, the enterprise file bankruptcy or is out of business.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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with the fund and investing. is that a type of money laundering? can it be seen like that? whats the other way of making money when you pocket the difference of non union and union. i really dont understand that method!? and thanks for the info!
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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with the fund and investing. is that a type of money laundering? can it be seen like that? whats the other way of making money when you pocket the difference of non union and union. i really dont understand that method!? and thanks for the info! A non union business will always be able to produce goods and services cheaper than a competitor who are forced to hire union workers. Any reduced cost contributes to higher profits. Non union workers can be paid minimum wages. Any venture into legitimate enterprises could be used as a way to launder money, I guess. But keep in mind that all loans from the union´s pension funds to the Mafia were (still are?) siphoned through "proper", and in many cases, "respectable" channels.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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thnks hairy and ivy! so what is the most common way of making money of lsbour rscketeering in new york today?
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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I understand now. and on top of that do they always extort the contractors for the mob tax?
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"You don't have to count the dead to understand the business of the Camorra" Gomorrah, Roberto Saviano
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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So for an example a building contract worth 100 mil. The mob will charge the 2% mob tax which is 2 mil of the contract. And if the contractors want 100 union men the mobbed up union will hand them like 80 and the rest of the 20 would be no show jobs and non union workers?
"You shouldn’t be embarrassed by your wealth. This contempt for money is another trick by the rich to keep the poor without it" - Michael Corleone
"You don't have to count the dead to understand the business of the Camorra" Gomorrah, Roberto Saviano
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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So for an example a building contract worth 100 mil. The mob will charge the 2% mob tax which is 2 mil of the contract. And if the contractors want 100 union men the mobbed up union will hand them like 80 and the rest of the 20 would be no show jobs and non union workers? It varies depending on any number of factors - the union, the contractor, the project size, etc. 2% has been an often quoted figure and I think it originally stemmed from the "Concrete Club" that was part of the Commission case. Under that arrangement, there were 7 concrete companies (X.L.O Concrete Corp., Technical Concrete Construction Corp., Century-Maxim Construction Corp., Cedar Park Concrete Corp., North Berry Concrete Corp., G&G Concrete Corp., S&A Concrete Company, Inc.) that were allowed to bid on projects where the value of the concrete contract was $2 million to $15 million. In order to get the bid, the contractor had to kickback 2% of the contract, which was split between the 4 NY families involved. Any project where the concrete was over $15 million went to Fat Tony's company, S&A Concrete. Other companies outside the club were allowed to bid on projects under $2 million but they had to make a $50,000 payoff to the Colombos.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Ah nice info ivy thanks. Is ny families involved in most construction contracts nowadays cos they say they have firm hold in construction
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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I don't know about most construction contracts but the construction industry certainly has the most LCN involvement still. And that's due to the diversity of the businesses involved - excavation, paving, concrete, windows, plumbing, demolition, trucking, etc. - as well as the Giuliani administration not being able to institute reforms there like it did in the waste hauling industry and food markets.
One of the New York papers did a 3-part piece back in 2005 that talked about how, over a decade from 1995 to 2005, numerous LCN -connected contractors, who had been banned from receiving state contracts, had nevertheless received $1.2 billion in over 100 public contracts involving projects like city schools, playgrounds, bridges, roads, etc. In December of 2005, it was reported that LCN-connecte4d companies had receieved $74 million of the $458 million in contracts involving the World Trade Center clean up.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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and they had like fifty no show jobs ranging from 100k to 400k as well right?
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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in uk we have unions but not powerful ones in usa. construction companys obviously go straight to unions because its cost effective but i dont think its that kinda scale in the uk
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Another racket for Mob-dominated unions is "rulebook slowdowns":
A contractor must finish a big office building within a specified time period. If he's late, he has to pay huge penalties for each day behind schedule. So, if he refuses to cooperate with the Mob (not doing business with their suppliers, not providing no-show jobs, etc.), Mob guys will demand that every little-bitty rule of safety, procedure, seniority, etc., must be followed at the construction site. For example: --The Mobbed-up union rep will insist that every truck entering the site be minutely inspected for "safety," so as not to "endanger" the workers; --Ordinarily, workers will jump at the chance to work overtime because they're paid more per hour. But, the Mobbed-up union will insist that workers not accept overtime assignments; or that overtime be offered only to workers with maximum seniority.
You get the idea...
Another big source of union/Mob corruption is contributions to political campaigns from union treasuries, and turning out union members to work for, and vote for, political candidates. Then they call in the favors.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Ahh with the delays that might add more days on ie more money from the penalty? Is that what your saying?
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Ahh with the delays that might add more days on ie more money from the penalty? Is that what your saying? Exactly. As Raab pointed out in Five Families, one day delay on a $100 million project can add up to and extra $75,000 in interests costs alone. If you're a contractor, it's very tempting to make a one-time payment of, say, $50,000, rather than risking more than that each day. But even more than that, it's tempting for the contractors to form sweetheart deals with the mobbed up union. Union-scale workers can make 4 times as much as non-union workers. The mobbed up union will allow the contractor to use the cheaper non-union workers in return for a kickback and/or no-show jobs. Through this the contractor can save a lot of money. That's where it really becomes the problem - when the racketeering becomes institutionalized. And that means, as Raab explained in his book, as long as contractors could pass along the price of kickbacks to their customers, and that they'd only have to pay off once, they would actually prefer to deal with the mob rather than honest union leaders who have the ability to disrupt their schedules by exercising their collective bargaining agreements.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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I don't know about most construction contracts but the construction industry certainly has the most LCN involvement still. And that's due to the diversity of the businesses involved - excavation, paving, concrete, windows, plumbing, demolition, trucking, etc. - as well as the Giuliani administration not being able to institute reforms there like it did in the waste hauling industry and food markets.
One of the New York papers did a 3-part piece back in 2005 that talked about how, over a decade from 1995 to 2005, numerous LCN -connected contractors, who had been banned from receiving state contracts, had nevertheless received $1.2 billion in over 100 public contracts involving projects like city schools, playgrounds, bridges, roads, etc. In December of 2005, it was reported that LCN-connecte4d companies had receieved $74 million of the $458 million in contracts involving the World Trade Center clean up.
I remember reading that drivers of the dump trucks were being paid to take the scrap metal from the cleanup to mob connected junk yards, want to say Crea was involved.
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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Hey short, these guys have answered your questions but i figured i would help out with a link if you want to go a little bit deeper into the subject: http://americanmafia.com/Crime_And_Labor.htmlThis is from the guy who wrote To Kill the Irishman's site, it has a lot of into. Also i would suggest, i know it would take a lot of time but you would get the most info, go over old cases with labor racketeering that had with informants, find testimony transcripts and it will be a step by step tell all of how labor racketeering works. Also i would go over Lepke's fbi file and the case against him, most people create him with creating labor racketeering. Hope this helps, Daniel Perrygin
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Re: Labour Racketeering
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you all been helpful pals! much appreciate it. does the mob usually do the sweetheart deals? because it'll make sense for the mob to do that way because if contractors prefer to go the mob it would create more chances for the mob amd contractor to make more money on a new project?
"You shouldn’t be embarrassed by your wealth. This contempt for money is another trick by the rich to keep the poor without it" - Michael Corleone
"You don't have to count the dead to understand the business of the Camorra" Gomorrah, Roberto Saviano
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