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Outfit member complaining about Joe Fosco. #640331
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Don't know anything about this guy in video, but from what some people say is he's a Chicago outfit associate. Joe Fosco was an associate for many years, up until 2000, when he decided to leave the life. Now Fosco is a calumnist for a Chicago Newspaper, who writes about the Outfit.

The Outfit of course are not pleased at all by Fosco's remarks about them.

Here's the video of the man I said we don't know, but he's trying to say Fosco is the leader of the mob in Chicago to throw people off obviously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_H3UjZWm0&context=G2da0134RVAAAAAAAAAQ


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http://americannewspost.com/tag/joe-fosco/

thats foscos site where he blasts the outfit all over it


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I read an entry on his site detailing the night Sam Giancana was whacked. He named names, places dates and times of events never published before. I don't know how true his account of Giancana's death was but at the very least it is a great read.

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Thanks for that Daps. Yeah, he makes a lot of Italian gangsters mad in good ol' Chicago from what I hear.

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I'm going to go back there and see if I can find it and I'll post the exact link... here it is -

http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/3324/sam-moe-giancana/

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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Don't know anything about this guy in video, but from what some people say is he's either a member of the Chicago outfit or an associate. Joe Fosco was an associate for many years, up until 2000, when he decided to leave the life. Now Fosco is a calumnist for a Chicago Newspaper, who writes about the Outfit.

The Outfit of course are not pleased at all by Fosco's remarks about them.

Here's the video of the man I said we don't know, but he's trying to say Fosco is the leader of the mob in Chicago to throw people off obviously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_H3UjZWm0&context=G2da0134RVAAAAAAAAAQ



His rant videos have been posted before. I don't think the guy is connected in any way. Watch more of his videos and you'll see what I mean.


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Re: Outfit member complaining about Joe Fosco. [Re: NJBoy55] #640353
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From what I can remember I think he was extorted and went bankrupt/maybe jail cause of the outfit.


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Joe Fosco never has been connected although he has done some interviews with Mike Magnafici, but pretty much everything he says has the truth twisted, he has tried to sue John Difronzo and lost and has rant videos. He says shit like Difronzo once killed a man and came in his pants while doing it and most of his stories come from an anonymous source. I would't take his word for much

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I found his website a few months ago. A lot of interesting stuff. Theres some good info on the Cerone's and the son who's an attorney.


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Originally Posted By: icegoodbarbPresident
Joe Fosco never has been connected although he has done some interviews with Mike Magnafici, but pretty much everything he says has the truth twisted, he has tried to sue John Difronzo and lost and has rant videos. He says shit like Difronzo once killed a man and came in his pants while doing it and most of his stories come from an anonymous source. I would't take his word for much


Not true. He was an associate. I'll post some stuff about this. About the guy in the first video, he probably is a wannabe wiseguy, but he comes across as if he's somebody.

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He knows stuff but he twists everything around because he hates Difronzo and other wiseguys but even if he was an associate he never was more than knowing Mike Magnaficci and a few others. the murders and things he talks about like he knows, he was never high enough to know about them, not like Difornzo would be like Joe i killed this guy back when and he claims to have insiders in the mob,nobody in chicago is giving him constant info thats actually that connected cause their not gonna want there stories posted online, his father was a treasurer in the union and thats why he knew some outfit members and associates

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I'll agree with that, Ice.

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I used to think that Fosco's stuff had the ring of truth to it, but the more I read it the more I got the feeling that he is just throwing everything that he can think of but the kitchen sink at DiFronzo and hopes that something - anything, he doesn't care what - will stick.

Guy has too much of an axe to grind to be totally credible.

I am pretty sure he really was an associate though - his dad might have been a made guy? Not sure.

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But I won't stop reading his stuff just when it comes to murders and things about Difronzo and Giancana take it with a grain of salt. I still like the interview with Mike Magnaficci and the ones about cerone are mostly factual

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Armando Fosco was his father and he was not made but had good connections becuase he was Secretary-Treasurer of Local 738 which was International Brotherhood of Teamsters

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Originally Posted By: Ivan
I used to think that Fosco's stuff had the ring of truth to it, but the more I read it the more I got the feeling that he is just throwing everything that he can think of but the kitchen sink at DiFronzo and hopes that something - anything, he doesn't care what - will stick.


Agreed, the dude really hates DiFronzo, calls him an informant 5 times in every paragraph.

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But I won't stop reading his stuff just when it comes to murders and things about Difronzo and Giancana take it with a grain of salt. I still like the interview with Mike Magnaficci and the ones about cerone are mostly factual


His interview with Magnaficci was great. His stuff about Cerone I take interestingly based on his relations with his children and prison visits.


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Doesnt this guy talking about outfit leaders and other stuff sort of make the argument that the outfit isnt really all that powerful or viable anymore if you got a guy like this running around calling highranking members rats.

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Agreed. Although at this point, if they hurt/kill this guy, it would draw way too much unwanted attention. The last time, that we know off, that the Outfit did think it was worth the effort, was probably when Anthony Zizzo disappeared in 2006.

But hey, if in the old days some guy was going to run around telling people how Giancana came in his pants while killing a man and how he was a rat etc.....there would be some problems lol .

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Chicago is still viable, plus what do they care if Fosco calls them rats everyone in the family knows their not, Plus New York are the most viable families and people go around talking shit about them all the time including writers, feds, bloggers and radio talk show hosts and they don't get whacked

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Originally Posted By: icegoodbarbPresident
Chicago is still viable, plus what do they care if Fosco calls them rats everyone in the family knows their not, Plus New York are the most viable families and people go around talking shit about them all the time including writers, feds, bloggers and radio talk show hosts and they don't get whacked


fair enough. Wasnt large guy sarno the suspect in the zizzo murder, so that he could take over the video poker machines business.

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Yes around the time Zizzo disappered he was having a beef with Sarno over video poker because thats chicago's bread and butter, but there might have been deeper motives because Difronzo and other high ranking members would've had to give the ok

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Here's an interesting article about his disappearance.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8325425

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Speaking of rats in the Outfit, for those who never saw this article...



Feds have two top informants inside Chicago mob
Monday, May 17, 2010


(CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Federal authorities in Chicago have been cultivating information from two "upper echelon" members of the Outfit for decades, according to a court filing in a current Mob prosecution.

The existence of a pair of Mob moles, called "Confidential Informant One" and "Confidential Informant Two," were disclosed by the defense team in an Outfit-related bombing conspiracy.

"Confidential Informant One is an alleged upper echelon member of the 'Outfit' and has been providing information to the government for over 25 years" states the court filing.

Confidential Informant Two is "another upper echelon Outfit associate who had been providing information to the government since 1994."
Both snitches are said to have handed federal authorities information about Outfit boss Michael "Big Mike" Sarno of Westchester.

Sarno, 52, is among several men charged with a scheme to blow up a video poker company in Berwyn that was competing with a mob-controlled firm.

FBI spokesman Ross Rice declined to comment on whether the government had two high ranking Mob moles, noting that the court motion in which they were disclosed was "filed by the defense."

Rice said that "the government/prosecution has not yet responded. As such, there is nothing further I can say at this time."

The top-ranking Outfit informant told authorities that Mike Sarno was in charge of certain Mob rackets during the time Jimmy "The Man" Marcello and his brother Michael were in prison, according to the court filing.

That informant also reported that Sarno was "feuding" with west suburban Mob boss Anthony "Little Tony" Zizzo, an imbroglio that "came to a crescendo just before Zizzo was last seen."

The rotund Zizzo, 71, was last seen on Aug. 31, 2006 by his wife as he drove to a meeting from his Westmont home.

There were no names provided for the two informants. A third mole was also disclosed in the court filing, but no details were provided about that person's role in the Outfit.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7446674


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Ivy - there was often talk around the windy city about the feds gearing up for an "Operation Family Secrets 2" trial. Have you heard about any of this?

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Originally Posted By: Mark
Ivy - there was often talk around the windy city about the feds gearing up for an "Operation Family Secrets 2" trial. Have you heard about any of this?


I heard the same rumors by the media. Cases are always in the pipeline, though I don't know if the next one could appropriately be called "Family Secrets 2" unless it also dealt with decades-old murders and what not. But I imagine they still want to get the top Outfit guys who have yet to be touched - the DiFronzos, Andriacchi, D'Amico, Culotta, Matassa, the Carusos, etc. Who knows? Maybe the 2 "upper echelon" informants are among those names above.

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I find the 'comments' section following Fosco's articles even more entertaining. I've been reading his stuff for a while since a lot of it centers on my hometown (had dinner at My Way in River Grove (since closed and re-opened with another name) and the Maroons Club in Elmwood Park, breakfast at Panera in Elmwood Park on countless occasions), and I can't say one way or the other as to how accurate his information might be, or the information that people post in the comments. It seems plausible...but I take all of it with a grain of salt.

I thought the Giancana article was interesting. It's been reported that Giancana had his daughters over to the house for dinner on the evening that he was killed. After dinner, they left and one of them returned because she forgot something at the house. I believe in one of Roemer's books, she says that she saw Butch arrive around the time she was leaving. Butch had been Sam's driver back in the day so it would not be unusual for him to visit Sam. That made Butch a good candidate to carry out the order. The gun that was used -- the kind of gun that should be destroyed, disposed of and NEVER found -- was recovered intact when a county worker cutting grass in a forest preserve found it in an open field near the road. The location where the gun was found would suggest that someone tossed it out the window while driving in a direction that would suggest one possible path that starts at Sam's house with a final destination of Oak Park, River Forest, or Elmwood Park...the suburbs where the top bosses in Chicago all lived...as well as Butch and the people mentioned in Fosco's article.

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And no, I'm not one of the people posting in the comments section following those articles...I don't have ANY sources!

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I only know what I read in the papers...and on web sites like this.


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YoTonyB, (and everybody else) have you seen this?
It´s a FBI report, dated 1975, and deals with the Sam Giancana murder. Here´s some parts of it:

"JOSEPH DI PERSIO residing in the SAM GIANCANA (deceased) residence 1147 South Wenonah Oak Park, Illinois, was interviewed at this residence and confidentially furnished the following information:

JOE DI PERSIO began residing in the SAM GIANCANA residence in Oak Park approximately two years ago following the death of ROSE FLOOD who was taking care of the house for GIANCANA.
JOE DI PERSIO and his wife moved into the residence as ROSE FLOOD's husband RICHARD FLOOD, an alcoholic Irishman, could not take care of himself let alone the GIANCANA residence.
JOE DI PERSIO and his wife were present in the GIANCANA house the evening GIANCANA was murdered. GIANCANA had returned to Oak Park Illinois the day before he was murdered (June 19 1975) to recuperate following removal of his gall bladder in Texas.
The evening GIANCANA was murdered JOE DI PERSIO's wife had fixed GIANCANA some chicken for his dinner and he was in the process of eating the chicken in the upstairs family-TV room when his daughter FRANCINE DE PALMA, her husband JERRY DE PALMA and their young daughter came to the GIANCANA residence to visit with SAM GIANCANA. While SAM GIANCANA finished his dinner JERRY DE PALMA asked if there was any corned beef in the house and was instructed there was and proceeded to make himself a corned beef sandwich. He returned to the table where SAM GIANCANA was finishing his dinner.

The dinner completed sometime after 7:00 p.m SAM GIANCANA, FRANCINE DE PALMA, JERRY DE PALMA and SAM GIANCANA's granddaughter went to the basement area of the GIANCANA residence where they all remained until approximately 10:30 p.m. At this time one of the DE PALMA's came upstairs to retrieve some of their belongings preparatory to going home.
DI PERSIO recalled the Johnny Carson Show was just
coming on the television in the family room. DI PERSIO walked out onto the back porch area located at the rear of the residence and noted the DE PAIMA's were departing. He recalled the evening was warm and was enjoying the cool night air when SAM "MOONEY GIANCANA called to him from the garage area of the property to come and take a walk with him.
JOE DI PERSIO went over to MOONEY and accompanied GIANCANA on a walk. GIANCANA had asked DI PERSIO to accompany him as GIANCANA was afraid he might fall down as he was still weak from the recent surgery.
GIANCANA took DI PERSIO's arm and the two proceeded to the corner of Filmore and the next block west of the GIANCANA residence.

During the course of their walk DI PERSIO noted a lot of automobile traffic on Filmore Street along which they were
walking close to the GIANCANA residence and mentioned this to
GIANCANA who gesticulated in reply that he did not give a damn.
DI PERSIO could not tell if the automobile traffic and individuals he noted in the area at this time of night were
police officers or not as these individuals frequently spent
many hours observing the GIANCANA residence from across the
church yard and church yard alley way caddy corner from GIANCANA`S residence.

He and GIANCANA returned to the GIANCANA residence following their walk and DI PERSIO accompanied GIANCANA into the basement area of the residence by entering the house through the rear cellar door entrance which door was open. This door led down a flight of stairs to a steel door which was also open behind a screen/storm door combination. GIANCANA entered the basement and DI PERSIO returned to the upstairs portion of the house.
DI PERSIO estimated that he and GIANCANA took approximately fifteen minutes to take their walk.

After being upstairs for approximately fifteen minutes, MOONEY called to him from downstairs and he went downstairs to see what MOONEY wanted. When he got down
stairs to the basement, MOONEY pointed out to Dl PERSIO that water was dripping from the ceiling of the dining room area to the floor. He and MOONEY discussed what the problem could be.
Shortly after noting the dripping water DCMINIC "BUTCH" BLASI entered the basement dining area from the basement kitchen,
sat down at the basement dining table and asked if there was any scotch in the house. DI PERSIO got him some ice and BLASI proceeded to drink scotch while he and GIANCANA attempted to determine what was causing the water to drip onto the basement dining room floor.
DI PERSIO removed several acoustic tiles from the ceiling of the dining room in the area of the water drip and noted that the water was coming from a drain pipe taking water from the bathroom located directly above the area of the leak. DI PERSIO got some buckets and put them under the slow leak. It was decided the pipe could be fixed in the morning.

DI PERSIO cleaned up the mess on the dining room floor and stacked the wetacoustical tiles out of the traffic areas in -the basement. He asked SAM GIANCANA if he needed anything else and GIANCANA told him if he did need anything he would call him.
DI PERSIO then went upstairs and joined his wife in the family room located on the first level of the house. He left MOONEY and BLASI alone in the basement dining room. 0n the way into the family room, DI PERSIO closed a sliding door between the stairs and the upstairs kitchen. He joined his wife at approximately 11:20 p.m and watched part of the Johnny Carson show with her. He also noted his wife had the air conditioner on in the television area and as such the television was turned on rather loudly.

DI PERSIO and his wife watched television for approximately one half-hour at which time JOE DI PERSIO stood up and looked out through the rear window area and noted that BLASI's car was not in the driveway.
DI PERSIO then went to the doorway which door he had earlier closed as he and his wife wished to retire, opened the door and called downstairs to MOONEY. GIANCANA did not answer and he then proceeded downstairs to see if GIANCANA was alright. Once downstairs DI PERSIO noted that GIANCANA was not in the basement dining area and that the sliding door between the basement kitchen and the basement dining room was partially closed permitting him to see that GIANCANA was lying on the basement kitchen floor.
DI PERSIO slid open the door and noted that GIANCANA was lying on the basement kitchen floor face up with blood underneath his head. He also noted that on the stove in the kitchen area with the gas burner turned on full blast was a small frying pan containing Italian sausage, spinach and beans. DI PERSIO immediately turned the gas off under the frying pan, took the pan off the burner and in the process burned his hand. He then called upstairs to his wife told her not to come downstairs and
to immediately call an ambulance since MOONEY had been hurt.
He felt for MOONEY's pulse and could find none.

DI PERSIO explained that he and his wife stayed at the GIANCANA residence for $10.00 per day and that he had not been paid by GIANCANA since January 1975. The evening GIANCANA was murdered and prior to the time BLASI came to the residence DI PERSIO mentioned to GIANCANA he had not been paid for a considerable period of time. GIANCANA also owed a considerable amount of money on bills which had accrued at the house in his absence and GIANCANA replied that they would take care of the whole matter in the morning and pay all the bills including DI PERSIO's salary. DI PERSIO indicated that MOONEY did not mention he had any money on his person but when he was searched following the murder $1,400 was found in his pocket. GIANCANA never carried money in his wallet and reserved the wallet for carrying credit cards.

After GIANCANA had been murdered BLASI stopped by the GIANCANA residence many days later and asked DI PERSIO how things were going. DI PERSIO explained to BLASI that many bills were mounting at the house and he could not pay them. BLASI asked that all bills at the house be forwarded to him and that he would take care of them.
Approximately two weeks ago late in the evening DI PERSIO's wife answered a telephone call at the GIANCANA residence and was immediately set upon by a male caller who used very abusive language to her regarding her husband.
DI PERSIO took the telephone himself and the caller used
profanity to explain that the caller was coming to the GIANCANA residence to kill DI PERSIO and his "bitch" wife if he did not keep his mouth shut. DI PERSIO then proceeded to call the unidentified male caller every name he could think of in Italian and hung up the telephone in anger. DI PERSIO recalled he heard background music as if the caller was calling from a tavern. DI PERSIO recognized the voice of the caller as being an individual he thought he knew however he declined to further identify him.

On November 18, 1975 DCMINIC JOSEPH BLASI chief murder suspect in this investigation appeared before the Cook County Grand Jury and invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege. He was directed to return on December 12, 1975."

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Here´s a nice website with pictures of many outfit members (and other good stuff):

http://ganglandchicago.blogspot.se/2010/02/photo-gallery.html


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Re: Outfit member complaining about Joe Fosco. [Re: NJBoy55] #641190
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Interesting, Hairy. Thanks for posting.

Re: Outfit member complaining about Joe Fosco. [Re: NJBoy55] #641198
03/22/12 08:16 PM
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I wonder who those two informants are...

Ivy, has that article ever been posted over on the RD? reason i say that because I am sure it will cause a lively discussion over there considering there are more Chicago posters...

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