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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: maverick] #640532
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and he's not in the shadows,, he's a nickel and dime guy, if you go to clubs etc you hear he's name, he thinks he's tough

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being from montreal i can say with alot of certainty that the cotroni name doesnt mean a whole lot up here anymore. frank cotroni jr son is said to be an up an comer, but he's considered a punk, like growing up gotti kids


Actually there is quite a long thread over on the realdeal forum posted by a very credible individual( an author of one of the books you sighted for proof) claiming high ranking Mafioso and bikers alike were coming to the Cotroni headquarters to pay tribute which is indicative that they actually are major players and that there name actually does carry more weight than most if not all.

I will cut and past the article here as long as it is not a rules violations.

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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Mussolini14] #640552
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yea i'd love to read it. it depends as in if someone's last name is actually cotroni or just an old ally.. di maulo would be considered a controni mobster. i'd like to read article your talking about to see.
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Originally Posted By: maverick
yea i'd love to read it. it depends as in if someone's last name is actually cotroni or just an old ally.. di maulo would be considered a controni mobster. i'd like to read article your talking about to see.
but good info


K let me dig it up.

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Mussolini14] #640554
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yea becaude some people just interchange contron meaing any calabrian...

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Sonny_Black] #640556
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Word is out on the streets Cotronis take reigns in Montreal


"as I posted on the biker forum the rock machine showing up at Chez paree night club was not A show of strength to the hells. They were there to pay hommage to the new Calabrian boss and chez paree has always been cotronis family Headquarters. From what I`ve heard its Frank jr(from quite a few people in the loop) but I wouldnt be suprisede if Nick cotroni was boss. Nothing official but I started hearing the rumours last week now the rock machine(who no one ever thought would return because of there near extermination by the rizzuto backed hells angels) show up at cotronis headquarters a few days later and make a big show of it. So I tend to believe it now that the cotronis are back on top. But please take it with a grain of salt I`m new here and i`m not looking for an argument but merely trying to get the rumour out as it may answer what has been a looming question since the the rizzuto purge began(and toronto played a big part with supplying some of the finer wetwork aswell) so I`m stating this as opinion and rumour not fact."

Maverik PM IVY league and he will be able to get you into the real deal forum so you can see the rest of the thread.

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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Mussolini14] #640558
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interesting.. clearly guy says it rumor. certainly possible but its first im hearing of it. hell's angels were usually always stronger than rock machine. maybe times are changing

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: maverick] #640559
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we'll see how it plays out

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Sonny_Black] #640561
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When I was on RD saying I'm more than just a little sure it's going to be (and IS) a Calabrian godfather, they pressed me for a name (bite my fat ass joeycigars) and I gave the name Cotroni. I stand by that still.


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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: carmela] #640562
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everyting is still up in the air up here. dont forget vito rizzuto is getting out of jail in a couple of months and will be back. i dont know if he's just gonig to go quietly into the good night

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Mussolini14] #640564
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Word is out on the streets Cotronis take reigns in Montreal


"as I posted on the biker forum the rock machine showing up at Chez paree night club was not A show of strength to the hells. They were there to pay hommage to the new Calabrian boss and chez paree has always been cotronis family Headquarters. From what I`ve heard its Frank jr(from quite a few people in the loop) but I wouldnt be suprisede if Nick cotroni was boss. Nothing official but I started hearing the rumours last week now the rock machine(who no one ever thought would return because of there near extermination by the rizzuto backed hells angels) show up at cotronis headquarters a few days later and make a big show of it. So I tend to believe it now that the cotronis are back on top. But please take it with a grain of salt I`m new here and i`m not looking for an argument but merely trying to get the rumour out as it may answer what has been a looming question since the the rizzuto purge began(and toronto played a big part with supplying some of the finer wetwork aswell) so I`m stating this as opinion and rumour not fact."

Maverik PM IVY league and he will be able to get you into the real deal forum so you can see the rest of the thread.


The quote you put up here, looks like the words of a guy I was PMing with on HERE... ontario613? I may be off with the name slightly, but it's something like this. I think he went by a different name on RD, though. We spoke quite a bit on here and that looks like a lot of what we were talking about. For the record, I brought him over and vouched for him on RD, then he just kinda disappeared. He had a lot of info as to what's going on up there.


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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: maverick] #640565
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Originally Posted By: maverick
everyting is still up in the air up here. dont forget vito rizzuto is getting out of jail in a couple of months and will be back. i dont know if he's just gonig to go quietly into the good night


Yes, I get it. Everything is still up in the air up there. I get it, I read it, I'll put it on a post-it so I don't ever ever NEVER forget it. Good?


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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: carmela] #640566
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i'm a little curious as to why only now people are saying controni. when this all started after nick jr was killed and locals decided rizzuto's were finished, the top calabrians turned out to be di maulo,mirarchi ( and desjardins). wherre were the cotroni's this whole time?

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Mussolini14] #640567
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Actually there is quite a long thread over on the realdeal forum posted by a very credible individual( an author of one of the books you sighted for proof) claiming high ranking Mafioso and bikers alike were coming to the Cotroni headquarters to pay tribute which is indicative that they actually are major players and that there name actually does carry more weight than most if not all.

I will cut and past the article here as long as it is not a rules violations.


I'm not sure if that guy who started that topic was an author, but this is the article it was about:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/24/biker-war-brewing-in-montreal

http://realdeal-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21480


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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: carmela] #640568
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relax i wasnt trying to be sarcastic

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Originally Posted By: maverick
i'm a little curious as to why only now people are saying controni. when this all started after nick jr was killed and locals decided rizzuto's were finished, the top calabrians turned out to be di maulo,mirarchi ( and desjardins). wherre were the cotroni's this whole time?


I've said Cotroni for about a year now.


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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Actually there is quite a long thread over on the realdeal forum posted by a very credible individual( an author of one of the books you sighted for proof) claiming high ranking Mafioso and bikers alike were coming to the Cotroni headquarters to pay tribute which is indicative that they actually are major players and that there name actually does carry more weight than most if not all.

I will cut and past the article here as long as it is not a rules violations.


I'm not sure if that guy who started that topic was an author, but this is the article it was about:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/24/biker-war-brewing-in-montreal


The poster that put that post up, is not an author. He was a member here and over on RD.


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Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: Sonny_Black] #640571
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this seems to deal more with the bikers...

Re: Another Montreal murder... [Re: maverick] #640572
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Originally Posted By: maverick
i'm a little curious as to why only now people are saying controni. when this all started after nick jr was killed and locals decided rizzuto's were finished, the top calabrians turned out to be di maulo,mirarchi ( and desjardins). wherre were the cotroni's this whole time?


Di Maulo isn't a Calabrian.


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he was violi's right hand man for a long time. he's usually associated with the calabrian faction is all i mean

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Originally Posted By: maverick
he was violi's right hand man for a long time. he's usually associated with the calabrian faction is all i mean


He wasn't Violi's right-hand man he was Frank Cotroni's right-hand man, but you're right that he used to be (or still is) part of the old Cotroni faction.


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i would argue both. he went with violi to new york to elect rastelli as boss in the 1970's

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Originally Posted By: maverick
i would argue both. he went with violi to new york to elect rastelli as boss in the 1970's


Violi, Di Maulo, Cotroni, they were all part of the same faction back then. But Di Maulo was more close to Frank Sr. than to Violi. Violi's right-hand man was his brother Francesco.


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but you get what im trying to say. when describing the facttions fighting in montreal. you had sicilian (montagna,arcuri, lopresti, pietrantonio) and calabrian (di maulo, dejardins, mirarchi)

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yea francesco violi was is muscle. my point was di maulo was trusted and respected enough by both violi and vic cotroni for them to choose him to accompany paolo to ny to elect rastelli the bonanno boss

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Originally Posted By: maverick
but you get what im trying to say. when describing the facttions fighting in montreal. you had sicilian (montagna,arcuri, lopresti, pietrantonio) and calabrian (di maulo, dejardins, mirarchi)


Those are thought to be the two groups, although both groups have members who hail from different parts of Italy. Pietrantonio may not be a Sicilian, while Milioto (one of Desjardins' men) is a common Sicilian surname.


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i forget where i read, maybe in one of the french papers up here that milioto's family comes from same village in sicily as rizzuto.

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Originally Posted By: maverick
i forget where i read, maybe in one of the french papers up here that milioto's family comes from same village in sicily as rizzuto.


He may even be related to Rizzuto. Liborio Milioto was Nick Rizzuto's half-brother.


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yea thats probably what it said, it was in french. my french issnt very good

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And you said you lived in Montreal? wink


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