A lot of things could be true. Maybe Joey Merlino is getting his marching orders from Jimmy Buffett down in Florida. People on these forums float theories all the time. If it doesn't pan out, well, it was just a theory. If, by some chance, it does, they're like, "See! I told ya." Even though they really had no idea. They're just throwing darts in the dark and sometimes one happens to stick.

Once it came out that Massino flipped, it seemed people were determined (as they always are) to anoint somebody else the next official boss. In this case, Basciano. And I agree, he likely would have been had he not gotten life in prison. But he was indicted as the acting boss and he ultimately did get life in prison.

Furthmore, you can't fail to see the irony in your signature where Basciano seems to be usurping Massino's authority, since Massino was behind bars. And, yet, now that Basciano is doing life in Colorado, it's really possible he has the official boss position? Well, again, anything is possible but why not just keep that slot blank until it's actually known or not? Because otherwise people start treating their theories like probabilities, and then those probabilities morph into accepted fact, and before you know it, people start talking as if Basciano is the official boss when there's never been anything concrete to indicate that.

Passing a message from the MDC in Brooklyn is a far cry from getting one out of SuperMax in Florence, where Vinny will be housed until they carry him out feet first.

Re: the missing Giuseppe Renda; decimation of the Montagna faction?

There is a photo that accompanies the French-language article for which I've provided a Google translation below. The article accompanies the French-language video. (I haven't watched the video because I can't at the moment.) This is another article that stresses Giuseppe Renda is not related to Paolo Renda.

Link to original article:

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2012/05/20120508-093922.html

Link to photo:

http://tvanouvelles.ca/archives/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/media/2012/05/20120508-093922-a.jpg



Google translation:

Disappearance of an alleged mafioso
Montagna clan decimated?
Published May 8th, 2012 at 09:39
Updated: May 8, 2012 at 10:46

Murders, attacks, disappearances. Relatives of Salvatore Montagna, aspiring godfather of Mafia Sicilian Montreal assassinated in November, would they be victims of a "clean" rule led by a rival clan?

The question arises, but the police did not publicly devises theory for now. The Police Service of the City of Montreal (SPVM) also treats the case of Giuseppe Renda, 53, who has not been seen since he left his home in Westmount Friday, as a loss and not a removal.

No news of her husband, who had to attend an appointment, his wife alerted police to 1:15 p.m., Friday.

The vehicle that would be an intimate Montagna was found several hours later St. Urbain Street in Little Italy. Since then, nothing that would work for Renda in the renovation.

About money or debt

"We always speak of a disappearance, despite the facts that are advanced. Here we go with what we can prove, not what you might think. According to preliminary expert opinions on the vehicle, there is no evidence that there is something criminal at the moment. We try to find him. The investigation has not been transferred to the major crimes," said Lt. Ian Lafrenière SPVM.

A native of the United States, Renda, who has no family relationship with Paolo Renda, consigliere of the Rizzuto clan kidnapped in May 2010, "would not have much in terms of criminal history," according to Ian Lafrenière.

The disappearance of the [Quadragenarian] could be related to a debt or a matter of money, according to what reported Le Journal de Montréal on Monday.

Lopresti and Pietrantonio targeted

In fall 2011, two other Montrealers related to mafia as well as Salvatore Montagna are targeted. First in October, Lorenzo Lopresti is gunned down in Saint-Laurent.

The 40 year old father was a close Rizzuto. And since Operation Coliseum, it is identified as the right arm of Antonio Pietrantonio.

A few weeks later in December, Pietrantonio, 48, alias Tony Suzuki, is shot through near a restaurant in the Rue Jarry Est. One of the main allies of the clan Rizzuto survives her attack.

Meanwhile on November 24, Salvatore Montagna, 39, fell under the bullets of a sniper in the island Vaudry in Lanaudière. He was tipped as a successor of Nicolo Rizzuto, 86, killed at his home in November 2010.

Raynald Desjardins, important figure in organized crime in Montreal itself a victim of attempted murder in Laval in September 2011, was charged with premeditated murder accomplices of Montagna at the end of 2011.

how they know he was an ally of montagna? the article is too generic to claim it

The plot thickens regarding the missing Giuseppe Renda and his putative ties to Sal Montagna.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/with+ties+Mafia+Montreal+missing/6586743/story.html

Man with ties to Mafia in Montreal missing
By Paul Cherry, The Gazette May 8, 2012 3:07 PM

[snip]

In 2001, Renda was part of a large group of people, including several who had ties to the Rizzuto organization, arrested as part of an investigation into illegal bookmaking.

[snip]

Police sources said Renda, who was born in the U.S., used to have close ties to Gerlando Sciascia, a Mafioso who lived in Montreal for many years and was killed in New York in 1999 as part of an internal purge within the Bonanno crime family. A police source also confirmed a report, in the Journal de Montréal, that Renda was known to have ties to Salvatore (Sal the Ironworker) Montagna, a man who was believed to have been aspiring to take over as head of the Mafia in Montreal until he was killed in November on Île Vaudry, a small island just northeast of Montreal.

Police also said they believe Giuseppe Renda is not related to Paolo Renda, the brother-in-law of Vito Rizzuto, who was apparently kidnapped in 2010. Paolo Renda is still considered as missing.

according to this article joe renda had close ties to sciascia but he wasn't his nepwhew, i thought he was
but if he was close to sciascia its strange he sided with montagna now, sciascia was killed by montagna's crew in new york

They don't specifically state that he was not the nephew of Gerlando Sciascia.

im starting to think that dimaulo-desjardins group still side with the rizzuto's, both against the montagna-arcuri group, maybe arcadi's group sided with montagna-arcuri's too, there are at least 2-3 factions vs 2-3 factions

I don't follow Montreal too closely, but I agree that there seems to be A LOT of factions up there.

I think the Arcadi group is either independent or siding with the remnants of the old Cotroni group rather than siding with the Montagna-Arcuri group. The Arcadi group was the dominant group in recent years and if they sided with Montagna then this group would've had an easier time taking over instead of being shattered the way they are now.

What about the siderno group and all the calabrian clans in canada. What you think there say is in the current mess sonny?

One of the earlier theories suggested that they were involved, but since then a lot of new information has come out and it seems their role is secondary at best. The Rizzuto-Cammalleri family has established ties with the Commisso clan--one of their family members is married to a Commisso member. Sal Montagna as we know made regular trips to Toronto, but it is unclear if he met with 'Ndrangheta clans or the Toronto Sicilians. I think it's the latter, although he could also have met with both.

i dont think its independent since bertolo, bruni, disalvo and others killed wer on that side
i think they side with montagna, but who knows

The intermarriage between Rizzuto/Cammalleri-Commisso is intriguing. Money is money, but that carries a little weight, when it comes to putting who with who or crossing possible enemies off the list. A little. Anyone have an educated guess about how many and how the factions break down?

Daniel Renaud has written that there are three to four cells in Montreal that at first formed a consortium until hostilities began.

You really need a scorecard to follow all the players up there .

There are many and some are more involved than the other. Tony Mucci seems to be one of the most active players, but there are others as well. The Arcuris, Pietrantonio, maybe the Sollecitos, the Scoppas and the Armenis...

Sonny, where do you get all of this information! is there a website which specilises in the canadian mob?

When it comes to recent events mostly from Mafia Inc. and reading articles, a lot of articles.

yeh i got mafia inc, great book! problem is that theres an unbelievable amount of names! Got to read the Collapse chapter again!

Re: the missing Giuseppe Renda; decimation of the Montagna faction?

Police seem to have been able to trace where Giuseppe Renda was and with whom, possibly, on May 4, the day he was reported missing.

Link to French-language article: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/05/11/la-police-fouille-un-immeuble

Google translation:

MAFIA | INQUIRY
The police search a building
Daniel Renaud
JOURNAL DE MONTRÉAL, POSTED ON: FRIDAY, MAY 11, 2012, 11:05 P.M. | UPDATED: FRIDAY, MAY 11, 2012, 11:15 P.M

The investigation into the disappearance of mobster Giuseppe Renda has led the police to sift through a building renovation in the Plateau Mont-Royal, Thursday.

According to workers interviewed by Le Journal, an army patrol, investigators and crime scene technicians spent several hours in the building of St. Viateur, corner Jeanne-Mance, banning it.

This building could be the last place where Giuseppe Renda was seen on the morning of May 4, before his death is reported by his wife, in the evening.

According to our information, the 53 year old man, who would have experienced money problems, had an appointment with a relative of the former lieutenant of the Mafia, Agostino [BadWord], killed in July 2010, before disappearing without a trace.

Case of the disappearance

"We are still at the stage of the disappearnce. The police continue to close the doors in order to find the person," says the agent Simon Delorme.

According to our sources, Giuseppe Renda was an associate of the godfather candidate Salvatore Montagna and was very nervous, since the murder of the latter and Lorenzo LoPresti, and attempted murder against Antonio Pietrantonio, last fall.

so the caruana-cun trera would kill renda?

- I have been following the Montreal War / Purge / Fighting and I am totally confused as to who is with who and which alliances are in place and which have been broken, if that info is even known.

I would love to see an updated timeline and maps / charts of the main players from the different factions . Anyone informed and feeling motivated??

I've been busy making charts. You can find them on the real deal forum.

Post them on here Sonny...please! Not on Real Deal Forum!

I can't find them on real deal

Probably and I'm leaning that way, but who knows. Someone who didn't want that meeting to happen coulda did it. I wanna know if Agostino was allowed to be killed b/c of revenge or his family was in the way??

C'mon Son-ny, you know some of us newbies don't have our stripes on the other side yet. Sh*t, I don't have my stripes on this one.

Why is real deal not allowing new member! Is it better then this blog in ways?

Word on the street is that Ivyleague was selling membership so the administration decided to close the books for the time being.

haha! naughty naughty ;), some one invite us, only if you want to....