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Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... #218804
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Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss (if he even appointed one) after he was appointed Boss of The Sopranos?

Does "Junior" Soprano act as an "Underboss" while under house arrest since he is still the official Boss of The Sopranos?

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Junior is Boss
Tony is acting boss, former underboss
Silvio is consigliere
Im pretty sure there is no underboss, usually when someone is temporarily bumped up to act in someone elses position, they dont bump up the entire heirarchy under this person, that would be confusing.

Usually only soldiers can become acting capos, capos can become acting underbosses or consiglieres, and consiglieres or underbosses can become acting bosses, but usually only one happens at a time I think


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lol I've never heard of a Consigilere as acting boss where and when has that ever happend?

I'm not trying to be an ass I was just asking.


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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... #218807
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lol I've never heard of a Consigilere as acting boss where and when has that ever happend?

I'm not trying to be an ass I was just asking.
I believe that in real life, Bonanno mobster Anthony Spero went from family consigliere to acting boss.

Vincent The Chin Gigante served as a consigliere and when Fat Tony Salerno was convicted, Gigante stepped in as acting boss.


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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... #218808
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Thanks for telling me I don't know much bout real life mobsters just a few things bout Capone.


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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: Peter_Clemenza] #642878
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Frank Costello Luciano crime family (later Genovese) was Consigliere puy as Acting Boss when Genovese fled to Sicily and then when Luciano was deported became Official Boss

Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: Peter_Clemenza] #643034
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Do you not remember when Tony is telling Paulie about Furio coming over. He tells him it is good for everybody and that the new "pecking order" is Tony then Sil and Paulie beside each other. Paulie is also the capo of the Soprano crew and at this point here he is the underboss also.

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from what i understand tony never appointed an underboss until the end where bobby baccala seemed to be the unoficial underboss. When i watched the 6th season i though paulie got bumped up since chris was a capo but i guess he made a new regime for chris

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No Chrissy took over the Soprano crew, which made Paulie just the underboss, he was working in a double capacity. Toward the end Paulie wasn't producing and Tony didn't seem to trust him to be part of his inner circle but he still knew Paulie would die for him and do whatever he orders, this is why he is at the safe house with Tony during the war with Phil. Paulie was a soldier under Tony's dad, then Tony, when Tony took over the family Paulie became capo of Tony's crew(Soprano crew left to him by his dad), whenever Tony brought Furio over and made him his driver/bodyguard/personal collector it removed Paulie from this position and made him the underboss. Tony said, dont recall exact words but i will try, him coming over moves you up im number one then number two is you and sil together, if this doesnt make him the underboss can you please explain to me how. Who does Tony send to talk to other capos to lay down the line, like when Richie ran over Beansie, Paulie and Silvio. Never remember a scene where Tony named Sil his consigliere, but we know it because he called himself consigliere many times as well as Tony also doing so. Seeing Paulie performing the duties of underboss is the same thing as being called it to me. Tony was also the underboss and capo of the Soprano crew during the reign of Junior, holding both positions at the same time until he took over the family.

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Remember at Christophers made ceremony Paulie stood by Tony that's usually where the Underboss stands at a made ceremony.

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At the end of Season 6, when Phil plans to take out the New Jersey "higher ups", they decide on Tony, Silvio, and Bobby. If Paulie was Underboss you'd have to think he'd be one of the 3. It seems strange, but I don't think there was an official Underboss.

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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: Nova24] #644737
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Originally Posted By: Nova24
At the end of Season 6, when Phil plans to take out the New Jersey "higher ups", they decide on Tony, Silvio, and Bobby. If Paulie was Underboss you'd have to think he'd be one of the 3. It seems strange, but I don't think there was an official Underboss.


Well maybe they didnt target Paulie because Paulie had been around for a very long time (back to Johnny Soprano) and he had a previous relationship with many of the older NY guys since then.


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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

Well maybe they didnt target Paulie because Paulie had been around for a very long time (back to Johnny Soprano) and he had a previous relationship with many of the older NY guys since then.


Did many of them know/respect Paulie though? Carmine Lupertazzi had no clue who he was when Paulie came up to him at that wedding or whatever it was.

It just seemed like Phil was hell bent on wiping out the New Jersey family and was going after, who they considered, the top 3 in the hierarchy (Tony, Silvio, Bobby)

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Well maybe they didnt target Paulie because Paulie had been around for a very long time (back to Johnny Soprano) and he had a previous relationship with many of the older NY guys since then.


Did many of them know/respect Paulie though? Carmine Lupertazzi had no clue who he was when Paulie came up to him at that wedding or whatever it was.

It just seemed like Phil was hell bent on wiping out the New Jersey family and was going after, who they considered, the top 3 in the hierarchy (Tony, Silvio, Bobby)


That is true about Carmine, Carmine was a NY boss and thus the probability of Carmine having any in-depth interaction back in the day with Paulie was low. But Paulie had a very close relationship with Johnny Sack. Maybe they went after the top 3 guys in the family (in terms of influence), not necessarily the three guys in terms of hierarchy at the time.


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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

Well maybe they didnt target Paulie because Paulie had been around for a very long time (back to Johnny Soprano) and he had a previous relationship with many of the older NY guys since then.


Did many of them know/respect Paulie though? Carmine Lupertazzi had no clue who he was when Paulie came up to him at that wedding or whatever it was.

It just seemed like Phil was hell bent on wiping out the New Jersey family and was going after, who they considered, the top 3 in the hierarchy (Tony, Silvio, Bobby)

Johnny Sack used Paulie to get information if i remember. Paulie was respected as a tough wiseguy but i dotn think they respected him as a leader or someone who could be a successful boss. Silvio and Bobby by the end were the only oned who could make money and were smart enought to replace tony as boss

That is true about Carmine, Carmine was a NY boss and thus the probability of Carmine having any in-depth interaction back in the day with Paulie was low. But Paulie had a very close relationship with Johnny Sack. Maybe they went after the top 3 guys in the family (in terms of influence), not necessarily the three guys in terms of hierarchy at the time.

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At the end NY didnt care about who was smart enough/would be a successful leader. Butchie said they would do business with what is "left" after taking out those three guys. It would be in NY's interest to have an ineffective leader in Jersey because then that person would be more inclined to support NY and not get in their way, not argue much, etc,


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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: Nova24] #644794
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Originally Posted By: Nova24
At the end of Season 6, when Phil plans to take out the New Jersey "higher ups", they decide on Tony, Silvio, and Bobby. If Paulie was Underboss you'd have to think he'd be one of the 3. It seems strange, but I don't think there was an official Underboss.

Bobby B stepped into the role in season 6 because Tony no longer trusted Paulie with his thoughts and such, so to everyone including the FBI and NY it was easy to see Bobby B was now number 2 even though there havent been at actual naming of the underboss. Paulie was underboss until season 6 though.

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Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: Peter_Clemenza] #644795
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I think a better question is who was Junior consig? Mikey P? Dont know many with the job to also act as driver/bodyguard/hitman as well.

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For what it's worth, Wikipedia says Palmice was Junior's Consig.

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I know thats why i said what i said. I believe Mikey was more of his personal bodyguard/driver/main enforcer. Much like how Sasso was not shown until he was arrested we never would have known juniors underboss if they didnt show that part, his consig was just never shown, i believe they just never got into the family that deep until Tony became the boss. You never know who Jackie Sr. underboss or consig are, you never know about junior administration until he is indicted. Plus wiki is just some guy on the internet best guess and Mikey is the one guy close enough to junior to be his consig that is shown in the series, not like David Chase wrote the wiki entry.

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Mikey is listed as Consigliere (deceased) in the Soprano/DiMeo Family Crime Trees in the FBI's office whenever there's scenes there. So since he was labelled such on the show I'd be inclined to believe it...

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Sorry never saw that, thanks for putting me strait! Just dont see him doing much advising, maybe more like doing the stuff that the capo of junior's crew would be doing.

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Most have probably seen this but for those who haven't..

http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/sopranos/sopranos-family-tree-pre-season1.html

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Originally Posted By: Nova24
Most have probably seen this but for those who haven't..

http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/sopranos/sopranos-family-tree-pre-season1.html


My birthday is not till August but thanks for he present Nova!!!

Re: Who did Tony Soprano appoint Underboss... [Re: danielperrygin] #644922
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Originally Posted By: danielperrygin
Originally Posted By: Nova24
Most have probably seen this but for those who haven't..

http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/sopranos/sopranos-family-tree-pre-season1.html


My birthday is not till August but thanks for he present Nova!!!


No problem haha. It's something every Sopranos fan should get to see.

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Who made it? u?

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No, not me. Someone posted it on here, not sure if they made it or found it though. Whoever made it did an awesome job, especially with the updated notes from season to season.

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Most likely Bobby was Street Boss and this day and age Underbosses aren't usually influential so Paulie wouldn't have been targeted

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Wow is all i can say to that

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Bear in mind this day and age Consiglieres take a more active role in the family like when Sil shot Adriana

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