You can't figure out the media, and I think that some of the silly "gloom and doom" news has to do with the lack of consumer confidence.

Jenna Jameson endorses Romney

Im definatately voting for Obama now!!!

I think this is one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

Maybe the Democrats paid her to say that?

That lady has taken cash for far sleazier things than endorsing Romney. This is one of those endorsements where you just smile and walk away.

When it comes to sleazy, the average criminal defense attorney has the sluttiest porn star beat by a mile. Just saying.

That reply surprises me, IvyLeague. As much fun as it to make fun of our lawyers, it certainly doesn't pertain to our friend, klydon. Our judicial system provides for even the worst offender a good defense and we should all be thankful for that right (even if the offender is a scumbag).

I pretty much figured that you were well acquainted with porn, but I'm a little surprised that you knew the criminal defense bar so well to make a definitive comparison. Just saying.

Actually one man's sleaze bucket is another man's freedom fighter. When I practiced criminal defense, I used to joke that I told my parents I played piano in a whorehouse, so that they wouldn't be ashamed of me. But the truth is practicing criminal defense was the most critically important work I ever did.

The way I see it, just because our judicial system requires the existence of defense lawyers, each one didn't need to choose that line of work; speaking from an individual standpoint.

Think about it for a minute. A defense attorney's job is to try to get people he knows...knows...are guilty of the crimes they're accused of, off scott free, or with as little punishment as possible. After all, this isn't Perry Mason or Matlock, where all of their clients just happen to be innocent. Nope, this is reality. Where the majority of their clients are guilty as sin. But does that ever stop the average defense attorney from taking the case? Not usually. Rape, murder, child abuse, whatever. As long as the money is there, that's what matters.

The truth is, criminal defense lawyers are nearly as bad as the people they represent.



Who said I was familiar with porn? The point should be obvious. As disgusting as it is for a porn star to fornicate in public for money, the defense attorney who works to get criminals off scott free is even worse.



I'm not aware of your past clients but, hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

If I ever were falsely accused of a crime I would want an attorney who did his or her best to defend me in a court of law and require the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. People make fun of attorneys but when you're having the full malevolence of the state directed at you I think most people would quickly sing a different tune.

Why can't Romney break through?
8.2% unemployment should be an easy case for him to make. So far it's not. What's his problem?

I'm REALLY surprised at this, but beginning to understand that your position comes from misunderstanding. Your dislike of defense attorneys is REALLY a dislike of our justice system. You want to hang anyone arrested for a bad crime. Our government, in its early wisdom, provided that everyone is allowed a good defense and trial before being judged innocent or guilty.



The truth is these defense attorneys should be applauded for the work they do. They may, in fact, believe their client to be guilty, but the client is still entitled to the best defense he can get.

Regardless of whether you can understand that, or not, you owe klydon an apology.

Notice how you start with the built-in assumption that the one charged (you in this case) is innocent. If you're honest, you have to admit that most who are charged are indeed guilty.

Now, hypothetically, I'd be all for a defense attorney who only takes cases where they truly believe their client is innocent. But how many of those are there?



I understand the system find. But the system, as it is, doesn't justify what defense lawyers do for a living - speaking on an individual basis.



Yes, let's applaud those who get rapists, murderers, child molesters, gang members, drug dealers, etc. off or with little punishment as possible.



Not gonna happen. I'm speaking more about defense lawyers in general anyway. Like I said, I don't know what clientele he has taken on in the past.

What I'm saying may not be popular, because it's an inconvenient fact, but it's a fact nevertheless.

It's a fact as you see it, not me. I sure as hell can't make you see things my way, and that's fine, but I can assure you that you'll apologize to klydon (by your own admission you don't know anything about his clients) or you'll face the consequences.

You don't want to get into a pissing contest with me on this point.

If kyldon is a defense attorney who has only taken clients he truly believes to be innocent - which would basically make him a living miracle - then I apologize as far as he's concerned.

But, if he doesn't fit that rarest of molds, than he gets no apology from me.

And I won't take back what I said about defense attorneys in general. The consequences be damned.

How do ya like them apples?

I don't. Take a vacation on me. If you don't like that decision, get a defense attorney.

Nobody will get away flaming another member.

SC, thanks to you and the other mods, this site maintains a civil tone.

Lilo, as to your point, the undecideds will not make up their minds until Romney picks a VP and the debates. Both are critical to the election.

I'm already tired of hearing " I approve this message" UGH!!!!

[quote=Sicilian Babe]SC, thanks to you and the other mods, this site maintains a civil tone.




SB,

I agree. One GREAT thing about this site is the mods are always on their toes. Whether it's spamming, insulting others, being sarcastic or just a down right hateful attitude that fuels the poster, the mods tend to pick up on it and handle it promptly and professionally IMHO. Kudos SC


TIS

Thanks. Turnbull keeps his share of baddies in line, also. Only he's a gentleman about it.

Short answer, Lilo?

He . . . just . . . isn't . . . likeable.

It isn't his money. We've had plenty of Presidents who have reeked of entitlement (And let's face it, President Obama isn't exactly blue collar). But there's just something off about this guy.

Bush was an imbecile, but I've always grudgingly admitted that there was something inherently likeable about the guy. If Romney had that folksy charm, Obama would be in trouble. But he doesn't.

It's not only the money, it's his remoteness (if that's a word). He doesn't CONNECT. Not knowing things like the name of a doughnut, he seems so out of touch. That's one thing way that Palin enhanced McCain's campaign. That whole "First Dude", just every day folks thing, she did it very, very well. It was all BS, but it was certainly something she could pull off. Romney couldn't in a million years.

Listening to Chris Wallace on Fox and his panel, it's clear that Republicans don't know why Romney is not making strides. They will probably have to count on his Vice President choice to infuse his campaign with any verve.

There is much speculation about Romney's VP choice. I heard earlier today that it might be a "shocker" with someone mentioning Guilianni? For some reason I just don't see it being a woman and I am uncertain if he'd pick either Jindhal or Rubio, tho it might help him with minorities. I've heard most pundits say it'll be more middle of the road (?), like Portman or Pawlenty (both being just as boring as Mittens.)

Yet, in the long run, and for the most part, do people really vote for a candidate by whom his VP choice is? Not to say VP doesn't matter, but I think most people vote for the main candidate. (Palin was/is an exception I guess, IF indeed people voted for McCain just because of Palin)

TIS

I can't wait for the RANC here in Tampa at the end of the month.

I'll be voting Republican up and down the ticket now and for years to come. And I'm in a swing state too.

Can't believe you people are talking about the election. Almost everyone's mind is made up. Makes no sense obsessing over it.

I don't know that everyone is obsessing. This is going to be a close election by all indications I think everyone is rightly concerned.


TIS

Your in Florida right?

Take this from somebody who has worked with politicians in DC from BOTH sides of the aisle. Dont vote for any more Tea Partiers, you will be doing this country a favor. I would hope you vote on the individual candidate as opposed to just blankly voting Republican.

Unfortunately, it wont matter much in the grander scheme of things who wins the election. Our so called "recovery" is extremely fragile and becomes more globalized every single day and thus any major negative economic event in Europe, Greece, Middle East, China wipes out hundreds of billions of dollars in wealth in a matter of seconds. IMO, we still havent bottomed out and the economy hasnt found "equilibrium" (to use an economic term) in terms of the housing market. Until that happens, we wont see a true recovery.

Our country needs a leader with a bold vision and some new innovative ideas ala a modern-day FDR. We dont have that candidate, and thus I will be voting for Obama because our country cannot afford to have more years of trickle-down economic policies that have historically been a disaster.

Hopefully, he learned some key lessons from his first term and grows a pair of balls and pushes to implement reforms as soon as possible with the help of the GOP who have been unwilling to compromise all these years.

I am in Florida and we will decide this election. Tampa and Fairfax VA will be the two key places to swing the entire election. NPR twitter came out with two stories about it in last two days.

I don't recognize the Tea Party. I am very turned off by the modern day Democrats.