|
4 registered members (Mafia101, RushStreet, 2 invisible),
690
guests, and 3
spiders. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums21
Topics42,529
Posts1,062,450
Members10,349
| |
Most Online1,100
Jun 10th, 2024
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: klydon1]
#656651
07/23/12 08:38 PM
07/23/12 08:38 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 17,300
New York
Sicilian Babe
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 17,300
New York
|
If you think that madmen only act when there are no guns around, please tell that to Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby and John Hinkley. What about the shooting at Fort Hood? Do you think that's a gun-free zone? Puh-leeze.
And I don't know where you're getting your facts, TB, but according to statehealthfacts.org, when ranked from low to high in firearm deaths per 100,000 people, New York, NJ and California are actually among the lowest. The highest rates belongs to Alaska and the District of Columbia, and the lowest to Hawaii.
The United States has one of the highest firearms death rates in the world. We are exceeded by South Africa and Colombia, though, so PHEW, because those bastions of peace and freedom are good company to keep. You could add up the number of gun deaths in most of Europe and Asia, toss in Canada, and you still wouldn't come close to the number of gun deaths in the US. Is it because they have more restrictive gun laws, or are we more inherently violent??
President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#656654
07/23/12 08:46 PM
07/23/12 08:46 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,553
AZ
Turnbull
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,553
AZ
|
And I don't know where you're getting your facts, TB, but according to statehealthfacts.org, when ranked from low to high in firearm deaths per 100,000 people, New York, NJ and California are actually among the lowest. The highest rates belongs to Alaska and the District of Columbia, and the lowest to Hawaii.
If you didn't believe the facts I posted in a link from The Guardian, here's another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_stateIt's possible that some sources count suicides (most gun deaths are suicides) along with homicides. But two statistics are constant: Washington DC (where until very recently it was impossible for a law-abiding citizen to buy a gun) has the highest rate by far; Vermont, where law abiding citizens have always had the right to carry, has the lowest rate.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#656677
07/24/12 01:22 AM
07/24/12 01:22 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 19,066
OH, VA, KY
Mignon
Mama Mig
|
Mama Mig
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 19,066
OH, VA, KY
|
If you think that madmen only act when there are no guns around, please tell that to Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby and John Hinkley. What about the shooting at Fort Hood? Do you think that's a gun-free zone? Puh-leeze.
And I don't know where you're getting your facts, TB, but according to statehealthfacts.org, when ranked from low to high in firearm deaths per 100,000 people, New York, NJ and California are actually among the lowest. The highest rates belongs to Alaska and the District of Columbia, and the lowest to Hawaii.
The United States has one of the highest firearms death rates in the world. We are exceeded by South Africa and Colombia, though, so PHEW, because those bastions of peace and freedom are good company to keep. You could add up the number of gun deaths in most of Europe and Asia, toss in Canada, and you still wouldn't come close to the number of gun deaths in the US. Is it because they have more restrictive gun laws, or are we more inherently violent?? OMG You honestly think that people are allowed to bring personal weapons on a military base PUL-LEASE!! Only security and police have the weapons. There will be shootings in gun safe zones (less)and gun free zones(criminal safety zones) because there is evil in the world. Just don't take my right away from me to defend myself and my family.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: olivant]
#656692
07/24/12 05:01 AM
07/24/12 05:01 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,718
Berlin, Germany
Danito
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,718
Berlin, Germany
|
Your country's laws regarding gun ownership are rather restrictive and onerous. However, once one obtains a card from your government, no subsequent evaluation takes place. In addition, illegally obtained firearms also kill. Recall Erfert and Winnenden. I don't think I have said anything about the legal situation in Germany. But if you like to compare, then compare homicide rates (with and without guns) in Western Europe with those in the US. And then we can ask ourselves: Who should learn from who? The boy in Winnenden had a carelass father who hadn't locked his guns properly. My question is: Don't we need a threshold? Depression (which is frequently involved in such shootings) is more and more quite a common phenomenon. If guns are an easy solution - that's a problem.
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: Turnbull]
#656742
07/24/12 01:21 PM
07/24/12 01:21 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
pizzaboy
The Fuckin Doctor
|
The Fuckin Doctor
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
|
Yeah, but you know what, TB? Both sides will eventually try to use this for political gain  . I was watching the George Stephanopoulos talking heads show on Sunday morning (I watch because I've always liked George Will), and they're already starting in on both sides. The lefties want no guns, the righties want guns without a waiting period, blah blah blah. I frankly can't take it anymore. Partisan politics are making me apolitical. 12 people are dead because of this scumbag---and crazy or not, that's just what he is---but there are still people looking to make this about politics instead of putting the blame where it belongs. I may cast a write-in vote for Barney Fife.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: pizzaboy]
#656745
07/24/12 01:33 PM
07/24/12 01:33 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 25,984
California
The Italian Stallionette
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 25,984
California
|
PB, I think you're wrong as far as "Lefties" wanting NO guns. That's never been the issue but it is spun that way and it works. Regulations, guidelines, whatever you want to call a little more attention to how guns are distributed/sold is the issue. That being said, Gun clingers, relax NOTHING will happen. It's just a dead issue that neither party will touch. Makes me angry, but that's the truth. TB, I have seen that ad before and not surprised really. LOL Actually the last few years, I don't think much in the political arena is a surprise anymore.  Also, when I was out on my run today I heard on the radio that some guy in Norwalk,CA got arrested at a "Dark Knight" film. When the film didn't start on time, he said something to the effect of, "I might pull a Colorado" on you and/or indicated he'd get a gun. Very smart.  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
#656746
07/24/12 01:40 PM
07/24/12 01:40 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
pizzaboy
The Fuckin Doctor
|
The Fuckin Doctor
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
|
Also, when I was out on my run today I heard on the radio that some guy in Norwalk,CA got arrested at a "Dark Knight" film. When the film didn't start on time, he said something to the effect of, "I might pull a Colorado" on you and/or indicated he'd get a gun. Very smart. Yelling fire in a movie theatre has been illegal for ages, but what that asshole in Connecticut did can probably be called a "terrorist threat" in today's climate. But Connecticut is the same state that gave us Vince and Linda McMahon, so I'm not really surprised  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
|
|
|
Re: Colorado Shooting
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
#656806
07/24/12 04:44 PM
07/24/12 04:44 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 15,024
Texas
olivant
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 15,024
Texas
|
Actually I usually can't see something like that without staring at it for a while but I did see the angel right away. Maybe cause I'm just so Angelic it came naturally.  TIS In the words of Mona Lisa Vito: "Oh, you are, you are!" What I (the Atheist) see resembles Old Man Winter more than an Angel.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
"Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us."
"Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
|
|
|
|
.
