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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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07/24/12 08:56 PM
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Of course he should die. Just as anyone found guilty of 1st degree murder. One can't consistently say some people who fall into this category should be put to death and others shouldn't. They're all worthy of death. Not of getting room and board, courtesy of the state, for the rest of their life. Maybe this particular criminal deserves to die, but, considering all the crime cases I read about or watched about on TV, I would say there are cases in which the victims deserved to die more than the murderers. For example, a man killing two pimps who forced his girlfriend into prostitution and constantly raped her or a woman killing the admitted rapist and murderer of her daughter who laughed while telling her what he did of her daughter. I know such cases are few, I am just bothered by the fact that some people say the personality of the victim and the reason for the murder don't matter. I once had a heated discussion with some people who were against the death penalty but thought that a mafia boss who orders the little son of an informant to be killed and a man who kills somebody who slaughtered his family should get the same punishment. I personally don't support the death penalty, but I certainly won't cry if the Colorado shooter will be executed. What I mean is that not all murderers are the same in my opinion.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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07/24/12 10:08 PM
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Not sure how it works in Colorado. Many states have a trial, and then a separate penalty phase to decide the sentence. In Colorado, does the judge decide the sentence??
However it works, I certainly believe that the DA that tries the case should go for the death penalty. Colorado also has a separate death penalty phase as other states.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: goombah]
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07/25/12 09:35 PM
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I'm usually dubious about the death penalty. I don't believe it provides a deterrent to murder. And, there have been plenty of cases where inmates on death row have been exonerated by DNA evidence or surfacing of blatently prejudicial law enforcement and trial "justice." I'm also a lifelong scholar of the Rosenberg spy case, in which two absolutely ordinary, innocent people were executed in a McCarthy-era witch hunt.
That said, some people's crimes are so heinous that they simply don't deserve to live. "Justice" includes justice for victims and for society. This guy not only snuffed out 12 lives and wounded more than a score of others, he made life in America that much more uncomfortable, that much more fearful, by invading a place where good people were having fun, and turning it into an enduring nightmare. I hate to say it, but he probably set an example for other lunatics who will see movie theaters as even "better" venues for headline-grabbing slaughter than classrooms. If he's found guilty, he should die.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: klydon1]
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07/26/12 12:43 PM
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I believe the '77 execution was of Gary Gilmore. Gilmore was executed by the State of Utah. His famous last words of "Let's do it" inspired the advertising agency for Nike to introduce their successful advertising slogan, "Just Do It." Thanks for the correction Klydon. I'm sure Nike has been forking over royalties to the Gilmore estate ever since... 
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/26/12 12:49 PM
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I'm usually dubious about the death penalty. I don't believe it provides a deterrent to murder. I agree, but I've often wondered if state sanctioned death by torture would be a deterrent. Not that I'd support such a thing (well, in this case I probably would), but I'm just curious. I'm serious. If you know that you're going to die slowly and painfully over, say, a 72 hour period, would you be as quick to commit murder? Well, I'm sure it wouldn't deter the true psychos.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: olivant]
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07/26/12 01:51 PM
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An interesting possibility PB. In fact, a recent study by a leading university noted that residents of Throggs Neck were deterred from committing crimes by just a stern look. Lowest crime rate in the borough, buddy  .
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/26/12 04:11 PM
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I'm usually dubious about the death penalty. I don't believe it provides a deterrent to murder. I agree, but I've often wondered if state sanctioned death by torture would be a deterrent. Not that I'd support such a thing (well, in this case I probably would), but I'm just curious. I'm serious. If you know that you're going to die slowly and painfully over, say, a 72 hour period, would you be as quick to commit murder? Well, I'm sure it wouldn't deter the true psychos. I agree that it's not a deterrent. But maybe they could model executions after that scene in Casino. The one where Joe Pesci has that guy's head in a vice, they beat him for three days, and then popped one of his eyes out. At the end, he said "I'm gonna put an icepick to your balls. Don't make me be a bad guy." Or maybe like the crazy guy from Hannibal who wanted to cut Dr. Lecter's legs open to bleed and then let wild pigs eat his body. Either way.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/27/12 04:39 AM
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I think that the death penalty really become a deterrent when the penalty will be slow and painful, so I might propose impalement, blunt and covered with a pile of fat that enters the body without causing shock and death can arrive even after days of terrible agony. Impalement, as a method of torture and execution, involves the body of a person being pierced with a long stake. The penetration could be through the sides, through the rectum, through the vagina, or through the mouth. This method leads to a painful death, sometimes taking days. When the impaling instrument was inserted into a lower orifice, it was necessary to secure the victim in the prone position; the stake would then be held in place by one of the executioners, while another would hammer the stake deeper using a sledgehammer. The stake was then planted in the ground, and the impaled victim hoisted up to a vertical position, where the victim would be left to die. In some forms of impalement, the stake would be inserted so as to avoid immediate death and would function as a plug to prevent blood loss. After preparation of the victim, perhaps including public torture and rape, the victim was stripped, and an incision was made in the perineum between the genitals and rectum. A stout pole with a blunt end was inserted. A blunt end would push vital organs to the side, greatly slowing death. The pole would often come out of the body at the top of the sternum and be placed against the lower jaw so that the victim would not slide further down the pole. Often, the victim was hoisted into the air after partial impalement. Gravity and the victim's own struggles would cause him to slide down the pole.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/27/12 05:27 AM
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I think that the death penalty really become a deterrent when the penalty will be slow and painful, so I might propose impalement, blunt and covered with a pile of fat that enters the body without causing shock and death can arrive even after days of terrible agony. Impalement, as a method of torture and execution, involves the body of a person being pierced with a long stake. The penetration could be through the sides, through the rectum, through the vagina, or through the mouth. This method leads to a painful death, sometimes taking days. When the impaling instrument was inserted into a lower orifice, it was necessary to secure the victim in the prone position; the stake would then be held in place by one of the executioners, while another would hammer the stake deeper using a sledgehammer. The stake was then planted in the ground, and the impaled victim hoisted up to a vertical position, where the victim would be left to die. In some forms of impalement, the stake would be inserted so as to avoid immediate death and would function as a plug to prevent blood loss. After preparation of the victim, perhaps including public torture and rape, the victim was stripped, and an incision was made in the perineum between the genitals and rectum. A stout pole with a blunt end was inserted. A blunt end would push vital organs to the side, greatly slowing death. The pole would often come out of the body at the top of the sternum and be placed against the lower jaw so that the victim would not slide further down the pole. Often, the victim was hoisted into the air after partial impalement. Gravity and the victim's own struggles would cause him to slide down the pole. Still, there is one problem: somebody has to be the executioner and get dirty. Some normal person who has never killed before. Whoever does it isn't going to be the same anymore after this. Is it really worth it? I have no pity for such criminals, but in my opinion trying to overcome them in cruelty is no good. If it's really necessary to kill them, do it quickly. Crazy lunatics like this one won't understand anything anyway, no matter how you torture them, it won't serve as a deterrent for the very fact that they are crazy.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: Danito]
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07/27/12 11:15 AM
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What unites the promoters of death penalty and the shooter: Killing as a solution. The politics of Germany in the 1930s.
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: Five_Felonies]
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07/27/12 12:02 PM
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i think what they should do to him is the same thing that happened to the circus guy in sons of anarchy that raped the girl That would work for me, but how about crucifixion as a deterrent? Rome may have fallen, but they still had a pretty good run  .
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Re: Death penalty for Colorado Shooter ?
[Re: Danito]
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07/27/12 12:03 PM
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What unites the promoters of death penalty and the shooter: Killing as a solution. The politics of Germany in the 1930s. ?? D, SC is right. The Third Reich's pogrom (and that's a rather sedate term to use) sought resolution of a perceived problem in murder. Again, there are several Board members who don't see their investment in adherence to due process. Why? Because they don't see themselves as ever having to be subject to the criminal justice process. So they eschew it to assuage their emotions.
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