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Re: Election 2012
[Re: SC]
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08/07/12 08:43 PM
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Discussions about politics, like religion, brings out the worst in us. There is no use for any of us to nitpick or make personal replies (but I know sometimes they just slip out).  Doesn't anyone talk about sex anymore? I remember many times my parents cautioning all of us to never discuss religion/politics, especially with friends because you can quickly become enemies. For the most part, I've tried to do just that. It's mostly in recent years IMHO, that things have changed, with all the misinformation, all the hatred, all the slanted news, all the attacks that makes me wanna scream.  It's hard to hold back sometimes. Ok, so ya wanna talk sex? See any good skin flicks lately?  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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08/07/12 09:11 PM
08/07/12 09:11 PM
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@ dapper don
Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.
And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.
People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now. Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown. Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!!
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Dapper_Don]
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08/07/12 09:19 PM
08/07/12 09:19 PM
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Skinny_Vinny
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@ dapper don
Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.
And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.
People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now. Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown. Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!! When Jon Stewart came here to Tampa he bought a ton of ad time on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on 970am. I asked someone at the station why a liberal commentator would target hardcore conservatives. I was told that not all people who listen to Rush are conservative. Many are liberals tune-in for entertainment. Makes sense. I'm no liberal, but I do tune in to Al Sharpton on 1600am or Maddow on msnbc. So it works both ways.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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08/07/12 09:22 PM
08/07/12 09:22 PM
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Posts: 4,089 Brooklyn, New York
Dapper_Don
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@ dapper don
Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.
And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.
People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now. Thats the thing, the vast majority (over 75%) of people who read the NYTimes for example ALSO read the WSJ or the Wash Post, concurrently as opposed to the tens of millions who just listen to Rush or Beck on talk radio. Studies have shown this time and again. Some people attribute this to education, meaning that most people who read the NYTimes have a higher education (college+) and thus know on average that they should read an opposing paper (WSJ) to get both viewpoints and avoid any bias. I am not trying to offend anyone, its just that is what the data has shown. Personally, I have had a subscription to the NYTimes and the WSJ (actively read both daily multiple times) since I was a freshman and my Economics 101 Professor made us get the WSJ for class. Unfortunately for me, these papers are STILL sending me their print editions!!! When Jon Stewart came here to Tampa he bought a ton of ad time on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on 970am. I asked someone at the station why a liberal commentator would target hardcore conservatives. I was told that not all people who listen to Rush are conservative. Many are liberals tune-in for entertainment. Makes sense. I'm no liberal, but I do tune in to Al Sharpton on 1600am or Maddow on msnbc. So it works both ways. Steward did that on purpose as a joke, he talked about it on his show. To each his own.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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08/07/12 09:52 PM
08/07/12 09:52 PM
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What's Dan Quayle's real name? Potato? No, no. It's potatoe.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: olivant]
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08/07/12 09:53 PM
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What's Dan Quayle's real name? Potato? No, no. It's potatoe. Good one!! She says potato you say potatoe.....let's call the whole thing off.  Couldn't resist. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
#659228
08/07/12 10:03 PM
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What's Dan Quayle's real name? Potato? In other words, Joe's name really ain't an issue that holds up. First of all, "ain't" isn't a word. Second of all, I was commenting on misinformation, so it does. And third, since that is the one piece of minutiae that you decided to seize upon, by countering with the name of another REPUBLICAN that doesn't use his real name, I guess you agree with the substance of my post.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
#659231
08/07/12 10:17 PM
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How is it misinformation if Joe uses his middle name instead of his first? That's hardly an issue. I "seized" on it to show how childish that kind of thinking really is.
I agree that people did buy guns when Obama won. That's their right. I have no problem with it. But why buy guns if they're only going to be taken away? Makes no sense unless you're going to buy the gun illegally.
Exactly who said guns were going to be taken away?  To my knowledge this administration has done absolutely nothing about it. I don't recall the President even mentioning he wanted to take guns away. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
#659235
08/07/12 10:31 PM
08/07/12 10:31 PM
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TIS,
You said that people ran out and bought guns because they thought Obama was a "crazy liberal" who was going to take guns away.
Truth is, conservative pundits did recount a story from Chicago where a man shot a home intruder with an illegal handgun and Obama sided against the home owner. Obama has been painted as anti-gun by his opponents.
First, it wasn't me that said that people bought guns because Obama was a crazy liberal; and secondly I don't know that story that the conservative pundits spoke of (link?).  I would think it would be fair to hear the entire story if it were indeed true. And thirdly, the last thing I'd do however is believe a conservative pundit on his/her word alone. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#659238
08/07/12 11:04 PM
08/07/12 11:04 PM
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Skinny_Vinny
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1. Sam the Non-Plumber told President Obama that his tax policies were going to penalize him as a middle class guy and keep him from realizing his dream of buying the plumbing contractor business where he was employed. He was then trotted out at several McCain campaign events as a symbol.
I mentioned it because he used the name "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Sam and he isn't a plumber. He lied about wanting to buy the business he worked for: he lacked the funds to do so and he wasn't a licensed plumber and therefore couldn't operate a plumbing contracting company. I don't know how else to make that point easier to understand, that it was complete and total misinformation.
2. People stockpiled guns and ammunition because they were told that serious gun control was on the way, so they were getting while the getting was good. They were stockpiling against a future when guns would be made unavailable; however, that day was never going to come. While he has been painted as "anti-gun" by conservatives, there is no basis for it. He has not passed any gun-control legislation in his years in the White House. Again, it's complete and total misinformation.
If someone wants to take issue with something the President did, at least let it be real, and not something someone made up. Who cares if his name is "Sam"? Did it bother you that Dan Quayle used his middle name? Now all of a sudden it's an issue because the level of people who follow politics is so low, first vs. middle name is a gotcha moment they need to be engaged in politics. If he's not a plumber, but did plumbing, I hope someone shuts down the company he worked for. It's wrong when a plumbing company sends out unlicensed people to do the work, which was the case with Joe. You're right that people were told that strong gun laws would be passed if Obama won. This was based on his stated position while in Illinois. His hometown has the toughest gun laws(and look at the crime there). It was totally realistic to think a liberal gun-control advocate would be a threat to gun ownership. And the NRA will be telling people the same thing again. Obama did make the "Cling to their guns and Bibles" comment, kind of mocking people who have both.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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08/07/12 11:57 PM
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I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else. Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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08/08/12 12:01 AM
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Love politics. This is an interesting thread for so many reasons. I would think most who posted here would go back and read what it is they said in the past. Interesting.
"The place to find is within yourself." - JC
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: olivant]
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08/08/12 12:09 AM
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I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else. Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents. I believe it. But the "gotcha" to his story is that he used his middle name, which is not uncommon, and worked for a licensed plumber but didn't have a license himself. So he did the sh!t work that a real plumber would be paid more for. Calling yourself a plumber when you work for one is not dishonest.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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08/08/12 12:12 AM
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I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked. I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable. He's raising it because people are genuinely afraid Obama will win again. Besides, a Republican has to raise more money to be competitive because the Democrats always have the media on their side which is worth hundreds-of-millions in free publicity. So if Romney raises more money, he still may not have leveled the playing field.  Tell that to Bill and Hillary Clinton who always said the media were against them. I love it when people use opinion and myth as fact. FOX News = Fair and Balanced. CNN is liberal. The media are on the side of the Democrats.  Yeah, the media has a side alright -- follow the money. Follow the money on political spending.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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08/08/12 12:14 AM
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I don't give a rat's ass if his name is Mitt. The point is that he was a sham from the start, and the Republican candidate trotted him out disguised as something else. Also, don't forget that, as he told Sean Hannity in 2008, he was a welfare recipient as were his parents. I believe it. But the "gotcha" to his story is that he used his middle name, which is not uncommon, and worked for a licensed plumber but didn't have a license himself. So he did the sh!t work that a real plumber would be paid more for. Calling yourself a plumber when you work for one is not dishonest. Sort of like calling yourself a Doctor or a Lawyer when you work for one, eh? When the media image, the symbolism is exposed as fraudulent it makes people more cynical. People like Joe the Plumber need to be shamed and spat upon in public. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
"The place to find is within yourself." - JC
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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08/08/12 12:17 AM
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1. Sam the Non-Plumber told President Obama that his tax policies were going to penalize him as a middle class guy and keep him from realizing his dream of buying the plumbing contractor business where he was employed. He was then trotted out at several McCain campaign events as a symbol.
I mentioned it because he used the name "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Sam and he isn't a plumber. He lied about wanting to buy the business he worked for: he lacked the funds to do so and he wasn't a licensed plumber and therefore couldn't operate a plumbing contracting company. I don't know how else to make that point easier to understand, that it was complete and total misinformation.
2. People stockpiled guns and ammunition because they were told that serious gun control was on the way, so they were getting while the getting was good. They were stockpiling against a future when guns would be made unavailable; however, that day was never going to come. While he has been painted as "anti-gun" by conservatives, there is no basis for it. He has not passed any gun-control legislation in his years in the White House. Again, it's complete and total misinformation.
If someone wants to take issue with something the President did, at least let it be real, and not something someone made up. It's called being a Dupe. This Sam/Joe was nothing more than a campaign prop who became a media figure. The media makes you, they take you down. The man was an idiot to be used as he was, but today most people would do anything for their 15 minutes of fame. People like him are like toilet paper to campaigns. Wipe and dispose and flush.
"The place to find is within yourself." - JC
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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08/08/12 01:47 AM
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Is Sandra Fluke a "Dupe" for being a figure in this election cycle? She's going to introduce Obama at a rally.
Joe BIden is like a statue and sometimes look like he's been out drinkin he has those little beatty eyes that say I don't give a shit
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