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Re: Organized Crime in Paris [Re: 2a] #963918
02/13/19 03:39 PM
02/13/19 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 2a
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by 2a
Are there any predominantly or exclusively ethnic French OC groups in Paris besides ( perhaps ) certain chapters of the Hells Angels ?


The Hornec's and their direct entourage in Paris (as is the case with most of the other infamous "Traveller" crime families in France) are not "gypsies" like the traveling Roma people from Eastern Europe or the Sinti people from Western Europe, but they're described more like "Voyageurs" - indigenous traveling people that are of European descent, mostly from France, Germany or Switzerland. It's the same like in the Netherlands where the "Reizigers/Woonwagenbewoners" are mostly of indigenous Dutch or sometimes of German descent or the Irish Travellers in Ireland that are of indigenous Irish descent.

The Hornec's for instance have their origins in the Alsace region of Germany, but they'd consider themselves French more than anything. The crime families from the settled Traveller communities are probably the closest thing to indigenous "French" organized crime.
You could consider Corsican OC as indigenous "French" OC as well, but they probably don't like hearing that lol.

There are however quite a few ethnic French individuals from France that are definitely involved in upper tier organized crime; mostly with connections to the Corsicans and the Voyageurs. In Brussels in the 80's there were a couple of French brothers, originally from a town at the Belgian border, active in large scale narcotics trafficking, prostitution, forgery, art theft... One in particular was probably one of the biggest and most successful criminals in Belgium ever. Very well protected individual with far-reaching law enforcement and "high society" connections.



Aren't the Hornecs Yeniche and/or Jenish ( don't know which term is more appropriate ) though ? Also what's the name of that fellow you mentioned or are you not at liberty to say ?


Anyways thanks for the information .





The Hornec's are of German descent, yeah. German-speaking Travellers of white European descent (mostly from Germany and Switzerland) are often described as "Yenish". The Yenish moved en masse to France. Secretly they might be one of the biggest Traveller populations in France; maybe even bigger than the French Sinti, which is the oldest "gypsy" community in the country.

A lot of the better known Traveller criminal families in France seem to be Yenish. The Hornec's (as well as other clan members like Bauer and Dorkel), the Bengler's...in Wallonia you also have the Becker's (notorious in the 80's and 90's)...
Christophe Dettinger, that boxer that beat up a few cops during those 'gilets jaunes' protests is Yenish as well. Tough bunch.

Re: Organized Crime in Paris [Re: TheKillingJoke] #963921
02/13/19 03:55 PM
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After the Romani and Sinti the third largest travelling group in Europe is the Yenish.
There are several other groups like the Calé in Spain and Portugal, scottish gypsies, irish travellers, dutch travellers, norwegian travellers etc..


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