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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/25/12 06:01 PM
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I'm working on an essay on "Why Germany Didn't Get the Bomb," so I just finished "Heisenberg's War" by Thomas Powers. It's brilliantly researched and covers an enormous swath of prewar and WWII science and intelligence. His basic premise is that Werner Heisenberg, a Nobel laureate physicist and head of Germany's effort to develop nuclear weapons, led the project "into a broom closet" to keep Hitler from getting his ultimate weapon.
A contrary view is taken by a book I read earlier, "Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb - A Study in German Culture," by Paul Lawrence Rose, a professor at Penn State. He believes the Germans would have developed an atomic bomb if they knew how--but they didn't. He believes Heisenberg and his colleagues put out the story that they knew how but didn't want Hitler to get it to preserve the "honor" of German science in the face of the American triumph--and also to polish Heisenberg's image from the tarnish it got by association with the Nazis.
They're both teriffic (but challenging) reads. My conclusion falls somewhere between the two.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/27/12 12:24 PM
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I just bought I heard you paint houses hopefully this book is good Me too. I'm through 40 pages. Interesting so far. TB, That Nazi/Hilter stuff is mind-blowing. I read, "Rise Fall of the Third Reich". Tough read, but worth it.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/27/12 12:55 PM
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I'm working on an essay on "Why Germany Didn't Get the Bomb," so I just finished "Heisenberg's War" by Thomas Powers. It's brilliantly researched and covers an enormous swath of prewar and WWII science and intelligence. His basic premise is that Werner Heisenberg, a Nobel laureate physicist and head of Germany's effort to develop nuclear weapons, led the project "into a broom closet" to keep Hitler from getting his ultimate weapon.
A contrary view is taken by a book I read earlier, "Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb - A Study in German Culture," by Paul Lawrence Rose, a professor at Penn State. He believes the Germans would have developed an atomic bomb if they knew how--but they didn't. He believes Heisenberg and his colleagues put out the story that they knew how but didn't want Hitler to get it to preserve the "honor" of German science in the face of the American triumph--and also to polish Heisenberg's image from the tarnish it got by association with the Nazis.
They're both teriffic (but challenging) reads. My conclusion falls somewhere between the two. I don't know a great about this, but only had heard the version that Rose advances. I had never heard the Powers premise before. I'd be interested in knowing how prevalent the Rose view is. Also, I'd like to hear more of your opinion as to how the truth falls somewhere between both views.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/27/12 05:09 PM
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I just bought I heard you paint houses hopefully this book is good Me too. I'm through 40 pages. Interesting so far. TB, That Nazi/Hilter stuff is mind-blowing. I read, "Rise Fall of the Third Reich". Tough read, but worth it. I bought THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH about a year or so ago but haven't tackled it yet. I'm still feeling the affects of Stephen King's IT
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/27/12 09:04 PM
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When it comes to books at the moment I can't move for hearing about this 50 Shades of Grey. Reviews are mixed at best, has anyone on here actually read it? Care to explain why the hype? Apparently its selling quicker than Harry Potter did. Got the first one from the library just for the hell of it, and didn't get past the first few chapters. It was awful. It was glorified fanfic, and poorly written fanfic at that. As for the hype? It's socially acceptable porn. The daughters had "Twilight" and now the mom's have "Grey".
President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/28/12 09:31 PM
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There's lots of lip-biting and eye-rolling. Also, the main character (Mr. Grey) is a supposed self-made billionaire at the ripe old age of 26. He also is a pilot, a concert pianist, speaks fluent French, is a oenophile, he's incredibly handsome, is well-endowed, a fabulous lover and seems to have plenty of leisure time to email the girl, send her endless text messages, can have sex about 27 times a day, in which there are tons of orgasms, and STILL run his empire!
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/28/12 09:52 PM
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I am shocked and disgusted by that description.
Im going to sue them for using my likeness without permission.
Okla: Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them?
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/31/12 06:45 AM
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There's lots of lip-biting and eye-rolling. Also, the main character (Mr. Grey) is a supposed self-made billionaire at the ripe old age of 26. He also is a pilot, a concert pianist, speaks fluent French, is a oenophile, he's incredibly handsome, is well-endowed, a fabulous lover and seems to have plenty of leisure time to email the girl, send her endless text messages, can have sex about 27 times a day, in which there are tons of orgasms, and STILL run his empire! I thought you were going to add that his small talk has altered foreign policy; Sasquatch has a picture of him; he once ran a marathon because it was on his way. 
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/31/12 06:51 AM
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Battles that Changed History  If you are a history junkie and/or a military history buff or weapons guru you probably want to get this book. Although there are a few horrible exclusions (where is the Battle of Vertieres or the Battle of Isandlwana or the Battle of Bannockburn) it does list 47 battles from 1457 BC at Megiddo all the way up to operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003 (which was really more of a campaign) Each battle is lavishly illustrated with prints and portraits of the typical soldiers and their commanders, as well as detailed maps showing each side's plans, weapons, tactics and what went wrong for one side or the other. There are some surprises here. For example the Battle of Agincourt is famous for supposedly showing the superiority of the English (Welsh) longbow. 5700 Englishmen defeated 25,000 French soldiers and Italian mercenaries. In point of fact though the longbow probably didn't easily get through the heavy plate armor of the French knights. But what it did do, with the aid of an aborted French charge through mud, was to kill the French men at arms without armor and break up the French charge enough to allow the English to run forward and finish them off with mauls and maces. Other battles described still rankled losers centuries afterward. For example the 1410 Prussian defeat at Tannenburg, Poland so bothered the Germans that in 1914, when the German general Paul Von Hindenburg, a Prussian, defeated a Russian army in the same region he named the battle Tannenburg.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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08/31/12 07:14 AM
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Weapons of Choice by John Birmingham  Time travel may well be theoretically possible (at least going into the past) but as far as we know no one has ever done it. But what if someone did? And what if that someone were a 2021 multinational and multiracial carrier force, led by Americans and full of Navy and Marine personnel, that was sent back to 1942 just before the American - Japanese Midway battle? You've likely seen stories like this before but Birmingham does a bang up job of making this book (the initial in a trilogy) really come alive. He does this by the simple fact of including human nature as a character in his book. The Americans from 1942 are initially happy to have assistance from the Americans of 2021 while the modern Americans are delighted to give it. However this starts to change almost immediately as many of the 1942 Americans have zero use for feminism, racial equality, modern fitness techniques, non-smoking or any of the other ideas we take for granted. They become very wary of and coolly hostile to their countrymen and countrywomen from the future. They view the idea of taking orders from women of any race or blacks of either gender with profoundly deep disdain. They don't get why a carrier is named after a woman President (The USS Hilary Clinton) And they are desperate to prevent these ideas from spreading. For their part the modern Americans think that the 1942 Americans all sound like actors from old Warner Brothers movies and are generally eager to change things as quickly as possible. However not all of the multinational ships made it through the wormhole in one piece or under American or allied control. The 1942 Japanese, Germans and Russians have gotten their hands on some of the modern military technology and worse yet, on history books. So Stalin, Tojo, Hitler and others are able to see what mistakes they made. And the countries that had nuclear programs or were thinking about them are ecstatic or frightened to find out that not only are such weapons possible, but the future Americans have them. This entire book is an example of chaos theory in action on political, scientific, military and even romantic relationships. Some members of the 2021 multinational force that came through the wormhole are Japanese or Indonesian. They're not sure they want to be fighting their own great grandparents or fighting on the same side as the 1942 British and Dutch who intend to reestablish white colonial rule in SE Asia. This was a really fun book that was crammed with realistic characters. You can probably pick it up for cheap. I did.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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09/20/12 06:08 AM
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The Cleanup by Sean Doolittle I didn't enjoy this book as much as I thought I would probably because I kept getting interrupted by work and other things while reading it. It took me a while to finish. Matthew Worth is an Omaha, Nebraska police officer who is something of a loser. He comes from a long line of police officers-his grandfather, father and deceased brother were hero cops but Matthew is evidently not cut from the same cloth. His ex-wife was cheating on him with a detective. When Matthew confronted the detective, not only did he badly lose the ensuing fight but as hitting superior officers is a no-no Matthew was given the most humiliating assignment his department could think of. This was to guard a low-rent grocery store which has been the target of a few robberies and burglaries. Most nights this means actually bagging groceries or even sweeping up while he's in uniform. His fellow officers find this to be greatly amusing and love calling in "emergencies" on the police scanner that involve "cleanup in aisle five" or "gimme a price check on preparation H stat!!". Matthew tries to make the best of it. As he became a police officer out of a sense of family obligation he doesn't have a whole lot of pride that could be injured by this assignment although he is too stubborn to quit. As a side benefit at least Matthew gets to talk to and occasionally flirt with the fallen angel checkout clerk Gwen, who when she's not being abused by her violent thug boyfriend, actually has a kind word for Matthew. This all goes belly up one night when Matthew gets a frantic call from Gwen. Tiny little Gwen has just removed her hulking boyfriend from the planet and needs Matthew's help. Immediately Matthew has to make a choice about how he wants to play this and if he is going to place the law over his feelings of affection (both lustful and protective) for Gwen. The decision that Matthew makes sets in motion an avalanche of activity which gets attention all the way up to the Chicago Outfit, which doesn't get an expected delivery at the promised time. And when the Outfit doesn't get what it wants, people die. Matthew will have to rely on 1) Gwen, who has reserves of strength and cunning unknown to him, 2) the detective who "stole" his wife and beat him up and 3) on his estranged big brother who as an ex-con is the black sheep of their law enforcement family. One nice technique I liked is that the author lets conversations play out very realistically. People don't always explain every little thing and it can take a while before you realize for example that two supposed "good guys" are discussing murder. Characters make mistakes, take actions based on wrong assumptions and generally make a mess of things. It reminds me of some of Elmore Leonard's work.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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09/20/12 12:11 PM
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I just bought I heard you paint houses hopefully this book is good Me too. I'm through 40 pages. Interesting so far. TB, That Nazi/Hilter stuff is mind-blowing. I read, "Rise Fall of the Third Reich". Tough read, but worth it. I bought THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH about a year or so ago but haven't tackled it yet. I'm still feeling the affects of Stephen King's IT Have you ever looked out your window at night and seen the IT's face in the moon.
Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"
"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the Genovese Family."
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