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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 11:00 AM
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I don't know where some Board members get their information. So much of it is anecdotal. So, I just surfed over to Oregon's Department of Motor Vehicles and accessed their driver's license requirements(Here's the link: http://cms.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/pages/driverid/idproof.aspx#legal_presence) So, I don't know how the information at this link would in any way support the conclusion of the poster above that Oregon is one of those states that makes it easy for illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. Its DL requirements are the same as those of Texas and Pennsylvania.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 11:55 AM
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Oli, Not only that but as I understand it, cases of voter fraud throughout the states is very very low (don't have exact figures) nationwide that this sudden worry of "illegal voters" is bogus. TIS
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 12:12 PM
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Oli, Not only that but as I understand it, cases of voter fraud throughout the states is very very low (don't have exact figures) nationwide that this sudden worry of "illegal voters" is bogus. TIS You're exactly right TIS. It is motivated by people who just don't believe that certain people are "real" Americans per the Michelle Backmann's definition of the term. That definitionis what has plagued and still plagues the Republican Party and why (as expressed in the Businessweek article I posted above) Republicans are deperate to attract racial and ethnic minority voters.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 01:02 PM
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I don't know where some Board members get their information. So much of it is anecdotal. So, I just surfed over to Oregon's Department of Motor Vehicles and accessed their driver's license requirements(Here's the link: http://cms.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/pages/driverid/idproof.aspx#legal_presence) So, I don't know how the information at this link would in any way support the conclusion of the poster above that Oregon is one of those states that makes it easy for illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. Its DL requirements are the same as those of Texas and Pennsylvania. Because I know of a few who have gone there for it. I met them in school, it's no secret. I first found out 3 years ago when a classmate's sister was flying there to take driving test, for second time. I could not understand why, they explained, unashamedly, to me. What they say they require on website and what they actually require are obviously different. Her sister went, passed second test, and got a license. That enabled her to go for real estate license. She now is selling real estate in Kingston, New York. I did not mind when I heard, thought it was cool. Seeing how widespread and out of control it is past year ( I moved to New York City) I am changing opinion on the matter.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 01:22 PM
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A 2006 study by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice found that 18 percent of Americans age 65 and over did not have a photo ID. In Texas, even the Texas Conservative Coalition Research Institute admit that 37 percent of Texans over the age of 80 do not have a driver's license. The same study found that up to 25 percent of African Americans do not have a government-issued photo ID. According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, women are more than twice as likely as men not to have a driver's license. In fact, one of every five senior women does not have a license. Also, a woman's name and address on a photo ID might not match those on the voter list due to name changes related to marriage, divorce and other factors. The Texas Department of Vital Statistics reports an average 200,000 marriages and divorces in Texas each year, after which it can take up to two months to get a new ID For many seniors, disabled veterans, and hourly workers, getting a state-issued photo ID is not only costly and time-consuming, it is also difficult if not impractical to get to the forms and information needed to get an ID from agencies with limited locations and hours. Nonpartisan academic studies show photo ID laws discourage turnout. An academic study of the 2004 presidential election conducted for the bipartisan Federal Election Assistance Commission found that states with voter ID laws had an overall turnout reduction of 3 percent, a figure that reached 5.7 percent among African Americans and 10 percent among Hispanics. Sources: Brennan Center for Justice Source: Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/01/12 01:26 PM
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I don't know where some Board members get their information. So much of it is anecdotal. So, I just surfed over to Oregon's Department of Motor Vehicles and accessed their driver's license requirements(Here's the link: http://cms.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/pages/driverid/idproof.aspx#legal_presence) So, I don't know how the information at this link would in any way support the conclusion of the poster above that Oregon is one of those states that makes it easy for illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. Its DL requirements are the same as those of Texas and Pennsylvania. Because I know of a few who have gone there for it. I met them in school, it's no secret. I first found out 3 years ago when a classmate's sister was flying there to take driving test, for second time. I could not understand why, they explained, unashamedly, to me. What they say they require on website and what they actually require are obviously different. Her sister went, passed second test, and got a license. That enabled her to go for real estate license. She now is selling real estate in Kingston, New York. I did not mind when I heard, thought it was cool. Seeing how widespread and out of control it is past year ( I moved to New York City) I am changing opinion on the matter. Out of curiosity, what part of NYC did you move to?
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/03/12 03:48 PM
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This is a excellent wide ranging discussion of civil liberties and the current Administration. Jonathan Turley Interview TURLEY: Indeed. I heard from people in the administration after I wrote a column a couple weeks ago about the assassination policy. And they basically said, “Look, you’re not giving us our due. Holder said in the speech that we are following a constitutional analysis. And we have standards that we apply.” It is an incredibly seductive argument, but there is an incredible intellectual disconnect. Whatever they are doing, it can’t be called a constitutional process.
Obama has asserted the right to kill any citizen that he believes is a terrorist. He is not bound by this panel that only exists as an extension of his claimed inherent absolute authority. He can ignore them. He can circumvent them. In the end, with or without a panel, a president is unilaterally killing a US citizen. This is exactly what the framers of the Constitution told us not to do.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/06/12 05:58 PM
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Drew Peterson found guilty. At last! No kidding.  Besides giving me the creeps (and not to say it's in any way a reason to convict someone of murder), he comes off as an arrogant, self-centered asshole. I am not surprised of the verdict. Btw, they never found his 4th wife right? Dear Lord, who knows where she may be buried. Her poor family.  Anyone see the movie with Rob Lowe playing him? Lowe actually did a good job of making you hate him. TIS
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/09/12 06:58 AM
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09...ange/?mobile=ncLast summer, a drunk Arizona police officer named Robb Gary Evans drove himself to a bar, flashed his badge to avoid paying cover at the door, and then walked up behind a woman, put his hand up her skirt, and ran his fingers over her genitals. A jury convicted him of sexual abuse, a felony with a maximum sentence of 2 and a half years in prison, and Evans was fired from the police force after an internal investigation. Nevertheless, Arizona trial Judge Jacqueline Hatch, who was appointed to the bench by Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ), decided that Evans’ actions did not warrant jail time — sentencing him probation and 100 hours of community service. Evans also will not have to register as a sex offender. Yet, while Judge Hatch apparently did not view the disgraced former cop’s actions as particularly serious, she had some very harsh words for the woman he assaulted:
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/09/12 10:51 AM
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I saw that article Lilo and it left me fuming. “ If you wouldn’t have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you,” Hatch said.WTF? I can not believe this judge would actually blame the victim. It's always the victim of this kind of crime that gets trashed. Pisses me off. That judge should NOT be a judge  . TIS
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/09/12 12:32 PM
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09...ange/?mobile=ncLast summer, a drunk Arizona police officer named Robb Gary Evans drove himself to a bar, flashed his badge to avoid paying cover at the door, and then walked up behind a woman, put his hand up her skirt, and ran his fingers over her genitals. A jury convicted him of sexual abuse, a felony with a maximum sentence of 2 and a half years in prison, and Evans was fired from the police force after an internal investigation. Nevertheless, Arizona trial Judge Jacqueline Hatch, who was appointed to the bench by Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ), decided that Evans’ actions did not warrant jail time — sentencing him probation and 100 hours of community service. Evans also will not have to register as a sex offender. Yet, while Judge Hatch apparently did not view the disgraced former cop’s actions as particularly serious, she had some very harsh words for the woman he assaulted: what the fuck? i really believe that there should be a review over judges decisions. this is bullshit, and idk if the victim can bring this up higher in the court system and try to bring the judge down or not.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/13/12 02:39 PM
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Kly, enlighten me. The following is from Empire of Liberty:
" ... the federal courts could use the criminal common law to punish seditious libel even without a sedition [statute]..."
How does the common law fit in without a specific statute? Wow, that's an awkwardly worded phrase. Was it written in a present context, or was it referring to a time prior to 1812? I ask this because while federal common law exists, there is really no criminal common law to punish crimes. Sedition was a common law offense in England. Federal common law (after Erie v. Tompkins in the 1930s) is limited to certain areas, where Congress intentionally used vague and general language in statutes, and may be rendered moot with the enactment of a specific law. Anti-trust, interstate commerce, and civil rights come to mind. But the federal courts have no authority to hear a criminal case, based solely on common law. Fortunately, sedition trials are very rare, likely because the offense has always seemed to be on shakyconstitutional ground. My criminal practice was exclusively in state court, but I can not find a basis where a federal court can rely on common law today to punish a defendant for sedition. Maybe docan be more of ahelp .
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Re: Crime & Justice
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09/14/12 06:17 AM
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False Rape Charge A woman who lied to get a man arrested after falsely accusing him of rape was jailed for 15 months at Manchester Crown Court today.
Janet Higginbottom, 37, of Coombes View, Hyde, pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice at an earlier hearing and was sentenced today.
Police claimed the heinous crime brought undue distress and shame on the innocent man and his family, but detectives investigating the allegations soon discovered the woman’s plot.
Detective Constable Ian McNabb, of Longsight CID, said: "Higginbottom falsely accused a man of raping her, when in reality he was at home when the alleged offence took place.
“Due to her lies, not only did this man have to endure the shame of being arrested in front of his partner, but he also spent 11 hours in a police cell and had to deal with the associated stigma of being accused of such a grave offence.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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Scalia calls Posner a liar Scalia says he has your "substantive due process" right here. Scalia said that judges cannot reinvent the wheel, particularly if precedent has been in place for a long time. "We are textualists. We are originalists. We are not nuts," he said. One prominent exception to that is Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court's 1973 ruling that legalized abortion. He does not consider that binding precedent, he said, because it was wrong, remains controversial and is an issue better left to legislators than judges. What's more, the court's subsequent decisions on abortion are based on the judge-made theory of "substantive due process," which guarantees certain fundamental rights like privacy. It's "utterly idiotic," Scalia said...
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
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I thought that British police officers had started carrying weapons. I was surprised to learn that this isn't the case? Two unarmed women officers murdered A man suspected of killing two PCs in Greater Manchester was on bail over a fatal pub shooting, police have confirmed. Nicola Hughes, 23, and Fiona Bone, 32, were killed in a gun and grenade attack after apparently being lured by a hoax burglary report. Dale Cregan is being held on suspicion of their murders and two others. In June, Mr Cregan, 29, was questioned over the shooting of Mark Short in a Manchester pub and released on bail. Detectives are continuing to question Mr Cregan, previously described as Manchester's most wanted man, over the deaths of PCs Hughes and Bone.
The police constables had been sent to investigate what appeared to be a routine burglary report in Abbey Gardens, Mottram, on Tuesday morning when they were attacked with a gun and grenade...
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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