Not just the internet. It's in "Mafia Dynasty" too.

Harm no women is total BS. The body count in the wars in Upstate NY in the late 70s and 80s included 2 women. Dawn Grillo and Carla Faliciano

Hey Turnbull first i have to say thanks a million times for this post,it clears many misunderstandings!I have a question about the Bruno murder in Philly,was it about the drug bussiness or the casino's in Atlantic City?And was it really arranged by Funzi Tieri?Thanks in advance
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I want to do a story about this but no offense I need more than your word... can you give me your source on this?

I am referring to the pic of Maranzano not being Maranzano in my above post

EVL, Check your PM box. I have sent you a link to a magazine article I think I´m not allowed to openly promote in here.

Its a myth that mafiosos lives a glamorous life. the reality is that they live in hiding and fear people from their own organisation more than they fear the police.

The typical killing of a mafia member is done by a close friend of him. This is the preferred method of the mafia.

Question, not really a myth… is Salvatore Clemente (Lucchese rat associate) retarded? Or just have a speech impediment all a Sylvester Stallone?

I've got alot of questions.

Could someone explain in detail what a "Union" is?

What are the average kick-ups for a medium sized mob of like 10-20 people? For Associates, Soldiers, Capo's etc.

I'd thought the made Ceremony consisted of just your blood, no also the Bosses blood?

As well as anything else anyone would like to add to my questions.

With risk of misunderstanding your first question...a union is an association of workers or employees. The association is supposed to take care of its members against employers (roughly said).

And no, the boss does not shed blood in induction ceremonies. The bosses have already done that when they were made.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=640273#Post640273

What on Earth do you mean by "openly promote"? As long as you link to the source and/or cite the author in the reproduction, why would you not be able to reproduce an article on the public record? Was there a conversation with the Don that I missed?



Basically, a Union is set up by workers and representatives of a certain industy to ensure fair wages, fair policies and safe work practices for said industry. For example, there are unions for the construction industry, the service industry, the transport industy, etc. Typically, in order to belong to and benefit from the union's policies, workers will pay a nominal fee out of their weekly wages; union 'dues'.

By infilatrating a particular union, mobsters are able to circumvent certain policies (such as charging labour at below the union rate and ignoring safe work policies) and benefit from said dues or union fees with paid jobs, allowing other mobsters to list a legitimate source of income despite not really working at all, ie; no-show jobs or no-work jobs. Hence the term 'labor racketeering'.

As for the kick ups, as has been discussed many times before on this forum, there is often no particular set-rate; a soldier kicks up a portion of whatever it is he earns. Some earn more than others, so by correlation some kick up nmore then others. Following on this, the mobster who engages in the more lucrative rackets is likley to wield more influence and get away with more than the mobster of the same ranking who is involved in less profitable rackets. To paraphrase about a hundred mediocre rappers, "Its all about the benjamins"

As for the making ceremony, it seems like there are a bunch of different versions, depending on which Family and which member is conducting the ceremony. One reads about literal blood rites (where blood is drawn and smeared on the Saint, then burned) to simply burning the Saint, to elaborate counting rituals meant to assign a mentor to the somewhat pathetic (Mike Rizzitello was made by Jimmy the Weasel and 'The Bomp' Bompensiero in the back of a car in California, amid cigar smoke and a the interior light. 'Baldy Mike' Spinelli was made into the Lucchese Family by Gaspipe Casso in a NY prison. They burned toilet paper instead of a Saint and kissed )

No, there was no conversation with the Don. Simply put, I wasn´t sure if I was allowed to post a link to the article, which one have to pay for in order to read. I´m not (or wasn´t) sure that would have considered to be "legal" on here. Didn´t want to be a subject of the moderators wrath. That´s all.

The picture of Salvatore Maranzano isn't of him. Its of another mobster from Britain.

Maranzano wore a mustache, the picture shows no such thing.

You are correct about the picture. But how do you know Maranzano wore a mustache?

He was called a Mustache Pete. Even the movies the Youngest Godfather and Mobsters show him with one.

"Mustache Pete" was a derogatory term used by the younger mobsters when referring to the older generation in general. The older ones didn´t necessarily wore mustaches.
No photo of him has been publicized exept of the few snapshots taken on his dead corpse. And none of them show his face properly. Hollywood would not have known how he looked like.
You can find the photos of his dead corpse in the "Rare photos" thread in here.

I know that people say Omerta is a mob myth these days but you do get those disciplined mobsters who would never rat out on the family. Some won't even accept plea deals, sure snitches are way more common but is it safe to say that there were as many mob snitches today as there were 30 years ago??

I would say that's a bit of an overstatement. There are more experienced posters on here that could offer insight in comparing 30 years ago to the present day.

I don't think the hypothetical situation you described his banned. Officially or otherwise. Even after the 1950s ban, Mafia families were still distributing drugs. They just didn't want their own guys selling it (which a lot of them did anyways). Financing a drug operation is different, though. In the situation above, he bought the heroin, but had it distributed through a 3rd party. In your example, he didn't even have to touch the drugs. I don't think there is anything to hide from his superiors. It's not like the Cherry Hill Gambinos or anything who actually ran drug operations. That was out-right ignoring the ban, but Castellano didn't care.

This seems like complete BS. In a world were guys are killed simply under the suspicions of being an informant, how is it that every guy is talking to the police. Do you have any proof for this?

Castellano cared enough that he wanted to kill Gotti's friend. didn't Gotti kill Casteallno over some police tapes that would have shown his friend sold drugs agaisnt Castellano's orders?

First off, pretty good post. It's as full of myth and opinion, as any other story dealing the 'mafia.' Second, If anyone here is really young, and looking to get 'made' by reading posts on an anonymous website, I doubt they know any real gangsters.

The scene was always filled with rats and worse. It's why there has always been so much bloodshed and killings. All cities have not been alike. More violence in NYC families during some decades while Boston/New England remained relatively calm.

Final thought: most I know ended up badly, but some had a good run.

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The thing is LE plays people like fools. Some people rat, others don't, some make deals that they think benefits them, only to find those deals used against them and -- flip.

Truth: never deal with LE without speaking to a lawyer first.

Damn, this thread is excellent, alot of things I already knew, but its still a great read when ya stuck at work for 18hrs...........

So I was watching the Soprano's and I began thinking.

That if a Boss is apart of a Commission and he kills a made guy he could answer to the commission and say the guy was a rat and it's okay correct?

But then I was also thinking what if the Boss kills a made guy without consulting the Commission and he wasn't a rat, dealing drugs etc.

As well as if the Boss isn't apart of a Commission technically he doesn't need permission correct?

The Commission is non existent today. Back in the day, a boss was free to order any killing of a member of his Family if he found it to be necessary, without answering to the Commission.
However, killing a boss or a boss ordering the killing of another boss, without the Commission´s permission was a BIG no no.

Yes. A made guy couldn't kill another made guy without the boss's permission, but the boss could do anything within his family. That's why it's good to be the king...


Supposed to be a big no no. Albert Anastasia whacked his boss, Vincent Mangano, and simply showed up at the next Commission meeting, plopped himself down in Mangano's chair--and no one said boo to him. John Gotti socialized his plan to whack Castellano and Bilotti with key members of the Gambino Family and certain key members of other families (but not their Dons). No one said no to him. The Commission took no action against Gotti, probably because they'd been afraid that Castellano would rat them out rather than go to prison. The only exception was Chin Gigante, who arranged for Gotti's car to be bombed. His then-consigliere, Frankie DiCicco, was killed instead. Giganti was acting on his own, not on behalf of the Commission.

Anastasia was called on the carpet and questioned about Vince Mangano´s disappearence by the Commission. When he spoke, his cleverly chosen words (probably instructed by his good friend Frank Costello) told of niether denial nor guilt. He hinted that Mangano had been plotting to kill him. Frank Costello also spoke before the Commission and vouched for him. So Anastasia survived by claiming selfdefence (a tactic that Genovese wanted to use later to justify the planned rub out of Costello) but never admtted to the rumors that he was behind the Mangano disappearence.

The boss of the most powerful family does have certain privileges..

Actually Gotti had the support of the bosses-in-waiting of the other families (except the Genovese) e.g. Orena, Casso, Massino, and also Gambino consigliere Joseph Gallo at the time. Gotti and Ruggiero obtained the approval of the Colombo and Bonanno families, while DeCicco secured the backing of the Luccheses.