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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/03/12 04:10 PM
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Yes, those without photo ID (a driver's license, for example) are often the poorest segment of our population. Those districts tend to vote a certain way, and these attempts are the work of those who don't a certain demographic to vote. Klyd, we probably had to show our registration card the first time we voted as well, but it's been so long ago that I forgot. My daughter is voting for the first time this election (she turned 18 a few weeks ago) and she's very excited. Oli, I hope you told your student that they have a wonderful future as a Fox News correspondent! 
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: klydon1]
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10/03/12 04:21 PM
10/03/12 04:21 PM
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ht2
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Generally, the election officials working the booths know most of the people in the precinct. We have not had any instances of substantial fraud that could be rectified by the Voter ID Law, which is an admitted attempt toimpede certain segments of the voting population from casting a vote.
That's a controversial stance. People in small towns may know each other, but in larger population areas it's impossible to know who is who. However they shouldn't change laws during a major election year. Lots of elderly and disabled will end up getting shut out. People who are healthy have no excuse in not getting a photo id (rich or poor). I found this website that breaks down voter id requirements by state: http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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10/03/12 05:01 PM
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Oli, I guess I'm not surprised by your student's paper. I don't know whether some people don't pay attention, misunderstand or what.  As far as voting goes, I think in the past I've had to show my ID a couple times but I don't know if it's mandatory. However, I've been voting by mail since before the last election, so it's been a while. Call me a geek, but part of me likes to actually go to the poll to vote, especially if it's an important election. Then again, it's so easy to vote from home. I just received my sample ballot and have a chance to go thru all the freakin' propositions that CA always has and will try to get thru them. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: olivant]
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10/03/12 06:58 PM
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The following is a quote from one of my student's papers the topic of which was What is Government?:
"Take for instance when the protesters killed our Ambassador, and then dragged his body through the riot-filled streets, hanging the Taliban flag and chanting “Death to America”. Our President apologized to them for our hatred and injustice. This is not acceptable in my opinion. That is not what government should be, it is what it has become. This President passing Executive Orders without Congress should be tried for treason. That is the basis of what our country is built on: consent should come from the governed, not through the threat of force or manipulation."
"Why are we allowing this man to slowly turn our country to this Democratic Socialism? When he threatened to stop paying our troops if the Republican side of Congress didn’t agree to raise the debt ceiling, it was appalling."
Talk about touting the Limbaugh line...
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Dapper_Don]
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10/03/12 07:01 PM
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A few months ago I went to get my hair trimmed. The stylist was small talking and during the course of the conversation she said she watched Fox. I immediately (but politely) said, oh no I never watch Fox. She seriously said, "I know BUT I only watch it ONLY for the news and that's it."  Say what? Ha ha ha TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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10/04/12 06:02 AM
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 When you first go register to vote you have to provide driver's license or social security card or personal id or birth certificate which are things only citizens can obtain. Afterwards when you go to vote they check your name against a list. You sign a card saying you're you and vote.. Not really, I'm not a citizen, but when I came there, I got a social security card and a driver's license. So short of an american birth certificate and an american passport, you could get any other form of ID and not be a citizen. I imagine when you register, they run down your information and social security number to see if you are a citizen or not. Yes they do verify. Every state has different standards for driver's license. In Michigan you have to have id (driver's licence or personal id) to register to vote the first time. In order to get those things you need to show ss card, and/or birth certificate, some form of photo id, proof of Michigan residency, or passport, or validation from parent or guardian that you're you. Check this link http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Applying_for_lic_or_ID_SOS_428_222146_7.pdfOnce you're verified in the system that's it. It's been decades since I first registered and I have moved a lot. But in a few weeks when I go vote, no one will ask me for any of that. I just sign an affidavit, give my name and vote. Theoretically some nefarious non-citizen could show up and vote in my place before I got to the precinct but that just hasn't happened.
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Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/05/12 11:25 AM
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Didn't you hear? Some of the Republicans claim that the President is "fixing" the job numbers.  Hopefully tho, it'll continue to get better. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/05/12 12:21 PM
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That's politics, Tis. Whenever one side reports "good" news, the other side spins it into something bad. That's why I hate partisan politics  . Why wouldn't they assume he is lying. That's what they do.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/05/12 07:16 PM
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Dean Baker is a generally left leaning economist. He used the phrase statistical fluke but he has very good reasons for doing so. Absent the political spin that both sides will put on this it's not necessarily anything to write home about. http://www.cepr.net/index.php/data-bytes...ce-january-2008It is absurd though for people to suggest that Obama supporters fixed the numbers.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ht2]
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10/06/12 12:02 PM
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Bush admin overspent but was also hurt by housing crisis of 2007. Housing crisis was partially caused by liberals pushing the line that everyone deserves their own house, resulting in a big housing bubble. The banks made loans to people who should have never gotten one, they got too greedy. Both parties obcourse wanted as many people as possible to get homes (Dems pushed harder for it) but the Banks are the ones ultimately responsible.
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Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ht2]
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10/06/12 12:08 PM
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I saw him on tv backtrack on his comment, saying he should have posted a question mark at the end of his tweet. I am quite familiar with jack welch because he was one of the guys who we analyzed extensively in business school.He needs to keep his mouth shut IMO considering he's the godfather of shipping jobs overseas. He has no credibility on this topic. The BLS is an extremely credible agency, if the numbers were being fudged wouldnt it make more sense for it to be around 5-6% instead of almost 8%? If one reads the actual report (as opposed to news articles on it) you will see the numbers are very credible
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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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