Here's the article

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/09/rizzuto-meeting-new-york-crime-figures-in-toronto-source

Truthful or bullshit?

Thanks Joe good post. It seems too soon for him to be meeting NY but i guess he doesn't have a choice. I'm sceptical of this though since they don't name who he met why wouldn't they? It may be the canadian media being desperate for stories on him or this may have happened we'll see what happens i guess .

I was skeptical myself to be honest. They made no mention of New York in the actual article. I'm leaning towards bullshit myself. I think the Canadian media is in a frenzy at this point to know what he's up to, but no one really knows for sure.

It's all BS come on no way he even will be seen with any of the NY guys, after what the rats in the Bonannos did to him

B.S

Those sources would include law enforcement at the Provincial and Federal level. To call BS cause it doesn't fit with certain theories is pretty silly.

The Toronto Sun may be a spinster rag in many ways, but when it comes to their crime reporting, they are well connected.

I'm just sayin they are fabricating news here. I read what you said and I respect it but I mean there's just no way he is meeting NY crime figures. NY mob guys can't find their way out of Brooklyn these days.

I agree with Montague. Even if the source of the story may be dubious, "Rizzuto could try to make peace with his enemies, seek revenge for recent assassinations or simply retire"...or reporting and informing the NY guys an what the heck was/is going on up there, sounds extremely plausible to me.
So we shouldn´t dismiss it this soon.

If the story is true, some info (or rumors) may come out in the nearest future (due to the rats in NY) which should be interesting to analyze.

i dont think the new york famillies are involved.

Doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Rizzuto is the kind of guy who will try to make an agreement.

As Montague already stated, the source of this report is law enforcement. The Rizzuto loyalists, or enemies, on this forum do not want Rizzuto to meet with New York emissaries, because that does not fit in their own imagination.

When they say NY mob figures are they talking about the Bonanno's?

The Gambino's have a big sicilian faction and several of them had ties to the [BadWord]-Caruana. Any chance they're getting involved?

Other then the Bonanno's and possibly the Gambino's i couldn't see any NY guys getting involved. Yes? No?

I agree.

im starting to think both the bonanno's and the gambino's are involved in this
most of people involved in the pizza connection are free now, included big fishes like the gambino brothers and toto catalano

What exactly can the ny families do for him in this situation?
They dont seem like the types to stick their necks out for anyone. Really i dont think they are in some sort of position at the moment to be taking sides in something thats happening in montreal.Maybe they are doing drug deals together, vito looking to stock up on some war cash before he starts getting revenge, i mean he's got the connects.

no way he is doing this with one of the NY famillies, if we agree if its the Bonannos, then we must accept that they to are involved whats happening up there in Canada.

If this is true. Why wouldn't these sources point out, who are these mob figures from nyc??? Wouldn't the border customs notice an influx of characters with distinct names crossing the border??? If these newspaper reporters, know every little bit of crap from celebrities, why not, with Vito??? They don't have the resources to follow him around??? Or hang out in front of his hiding place???
Maybe, Vito met up with some family relatives who reside in Toronto. Probably, his own family came down to Toronto. Maybe, he met up with certain groups in Ontario, just to bring him up to speed. Any particular stories that may have led to the deaths of his close ones. I'm sure I would be posing questions to certain figures to determine, why these scenarios played itself out and for the worst.
Like I've said already, some people have to do some serious explaining.

Im sure the Custom officials did notice an influx of Organized Crime members, but what are they going to do about it. There are protocols and there are standards when it comes to who can enter either Canada and the United States, and if those people don't come into conflict with them then they are free to enter and roam for as long as their visitor visa allows.
If you're wondering why the paper wouldn't name names, well there are many reasons for that. Most likely though is that their source didn't want to divulge such information as it could very easily harm certain operations/investigations or even lead to a lawsuit/complaint.
It should also be noted not every gangster has a criminal record, its innocent until proven guilty remember. You may know someone is a gangster, but if you don't have it on paper, as proof, then you can't print it. Nor take his picture. But a cop who know's what the word on the street is can tell you hes connected and you can take his word for it. Thus they are written as Crime figures as opposed to providing identities.

Fact of the matter is you aren't going to get any explanations, not any time soon at least. Laws and sentences in this country are lax, so flipping a man in the know is about as likely as hearing Carmela apologize.
The Toronto Sun does not, nor any Canadian media outlet, have the resources to attempt to follow Vito Rizzuto around constantly btw. There is far more money in getting pictures of Lindsay Lohan leaving a porto-potty than watching Vito Rizzuto try to get his golf swing back.

That may read back as a garbled mess, I am really tired and have a plane to catch in the morning, so if it doesn't make much sense well... Nuffin I can do about it.

So long until December!

True. Doesn't he also have some restrictions?

PS
Toni, who's that guy you're using as an avatar?

You know, you almost slipped this one by me. Good one, my frenchie friend. Have a good trip, wherever the hell you're going.

I think, here is my theory, to why it sounds strange.

When, George "from Canada" was killed by Massino's order, who was jealous and felt threatened by him, at this point. (I call George "from Canada", the most quintessential figure, as Montreal and NYC became super rich, with their narcotic network established throough him) and prior to that, "poor boy" Joe was killed, too, who was a key figure.
Then it was said, supposedly... by Vito's family members. The Vito Rizzuto Family wanted to cut their ties altogether with NYC and answer to NO ONE!! (hmmm... NYC put him into position). Hence the phrase "6th Family".
Some NYC loyalists in Montreal tried keeping the alliance (in some miniscule fashion??). NYC was very pissed off with the notion of an independent family outside of the NYC Five Family Umbrella.

With all the hoopla surrounding Montagna. That was, I'm a firm believer now, a coincidence. Montagna happended to get deported and re-locate himself back to Montreal. All the while, NYC Families decided??? to send Vito a message while in prison. Some rumours from NYC, have said that, his son's death was a form of payment for all the years between the sterile business between Montreal and NYC.
Montagna, saw an opportunity and went after it, tagging himself up with DiMaulo and DesJardins. But, we all know what happneded there

If Vito were to speak with NYC figures, in Canada. Was there an attempt for forgiveness with the NYC families?? Maybe, Vito is on his knees genuflecting for forgiveness from the NYC Five Families before he attempts his road to recovery mission????
????

That dumb Canadian will get whacked sooner then later!

I agree with Sonny here. If Rizzuto is supposed to have all of this clout (just read The Sixth Family - liked it), then it doesn't seem far fetched to me at all. He is one of the older school mob guys still (at least for today) alive and perhaps still gets the respect befitting a man of his...experience, shall we say?

You could be right. All because of them Dumb Rat Americans.

Lol I hear you Tonymtl.

To dicknose. We all know that Sciascia(Canadian ) would have brought the Bonnanos to an international and global level way beyond rat Massino could ever dream of. Jealous rat bastard Massino.

What are you trying to say? It sounds a little childish

That I guess them rats are smarter than dumb Canadians.

To be technical Sciascia was actually a sicilian who moved to new york and then to canada and then back to new york where he was killed.