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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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10/31/12 08:34 PM
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The count is up to 14 times Mittens has been asked about FEMA, and he just ignores the question.
That's a mistake.
Will this help Christie for reelection?
Said it before, but this sealed it. 
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Re: Election 2012
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10/31/12 08:43 PM
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I don't think any of this will changes votes next Tuesday for Obama/Romney or whenever Christie is up for reelection.
Keep in mind, here in Florida, I have not stopped giving out candy for three hours. Point is, people not affected are going on with their lives and not going to be swayed by what is happening in NY and NJ.
Hey Ronnie. Drudge is teasing a sex scandal involving the campaign is about to break.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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10/31/12 08:45 PM
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Hey Ronnie. Drudge is teasing a sex scandal involving the campaign is about to break.
Why didn't they run with that Biden, Iraq construction contracts piece I linked earlier? Oh god, imagine a Biden sex scandal. Let me get my vomit bucket.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 10:05 PM
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We disagree alot (in fact most of the time) but me and Skinny agree on who will win. Difference only in EV score. All this smoke in the air (mostly by the right) about how Pennsylvania and Minnesota and Michigan and whatever are really toss-up, well I consider them just that, smoke. I'm reminded of 4 years ago when Georgia and Dakota (North?) were talked up as potential Obama swing states...and while he had higher than usual non-redneck Democratic candidate voting % in those states (he lost Georgia by only 5), never once did I seriously consider him winning them from the polls I constantly read and compared at the time. I do find it interesting the contrast between national and state polls, both which telling different stories. (On that note, National Journal's newest poll has Obama up by 5. Their last poll had a tie.) I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson 
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Re: Election 2012
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I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson An improving economy is a dismal record? But you are right about the GOP with that Christianite base, who have dragged that party down this side of Lindsey Lohan in your entourage. EDIT - So the big Drudge scoop is about a "powerful Senator." I'm almost reminded of Trump in that the reveal won't match the hype. (Except Trump is a clown who trolled the media successfully.)
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Re: Election 2012
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I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson An improving economy is a dismal record? Ronnie that is certainly debatable. Also the Democratic party has just as many half wits in its base (*cough Biden). I hate tea partiers and those extreme christian nutjobs as much as you do, but let's be fair here. The Democrats are not without fault.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 10:28 PM
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I've not checked but guess the NJ poll is included in the RCP average. The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage) while non Obama voters base it on his dismal record as President . As a meaningless Scot i endorse Gary Johnson An improving economy is a dismal record? But you are right about the GOP with that Christianite base, who have dragged that party down this side of Lindsey Lohan in your entourage. EDIT - So the big Drudge scoop is about a "powerful Senator." I'm almost reminded of Trump in that the reveal won't match the hype. (Except Trump is a clown who trolled the media successfully.) I may be wrong but since you've not produced any numbers indicating a recovering economy . http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obama-romney-surrogates-spin-jobs-data/The job increase that Obama claims needs to factor in the amount that's dropped out the work force my link is from July because i couldn't find a non bias recent survey . I'm probably wrong but i'd like something showing me an improving economy .
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 11:00 PM
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I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons. Tbh, both sides annoy me in this country, especially tea partiers like Michelle Bachmann (vomit) or conservative idiots like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. However the left is just as frustrating (Joe Biden, Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews)and intolerant.
Frankly both sides are guilty of bias and igorance. They find little tidbits and information that support what they think is right, while totally ignoring what doesn't. Quite frankly I see that on this board.
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Re: Election 2012
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I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons. Tbh, both sides annoy me in this country, especially tea partiers like Michelle Bachmann (vomit) or conservative idiots like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. However the left is just as frustrating (Joe Biden, Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews)and intolerant.
Frankly both sides are guilty of bias and igorance. They find little tidbits and information that support what they think is right, while totally ignoring what doesn't. Quite frankly I see that on this board. Well said Joe you can tell you're taking an informed decision by ignoring the right and lefft propaganda and looking at the results,plans,history etc of the 2 candidates
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 11:20 PM
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I may be voting for Romney, but for my own reasons. Home state? The state I was born and raised is Massachusetts. It's where I live now and where I will always live. And thank you Camarel much obliged. I think more Americans should abide by that sort of political thinking rather than automatically assuming one way is the "right way". And as I said before, both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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10/31/12 11:24 PM
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And thank you Camarel much obliged. I think more Americans should abide by that sort of political thinking rather than automatically assuming one way is the "right way". And as I said before, both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it.
Because people want simplicity in their lives. Look at religion: Follow the true God/gods and fight against the demons/evil or whatever. Not to mention the system is rigged so ridiculously in favor of the 2 party system, and we're conditioned as such to follow this mindset. Again why not vote say Libertarian? Camarel mentioned Johnson. He's a honest small government conservative, not the sort who preach against Big Government only to whore it out. (Notice how much politics and religion, literally or metaphorical, are intertwined.)
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 11:24 PM
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Joe is from Mass, and well the last Mass President was what, JFK?
Again I ask: If both sides are so rotten, why do you or anybody rule out voting 3rd party?
Your local shitty McDonalds doesn't improve service if you bitch but you keep going there. Well I don't go to McDonalds first off  But to answer your questions I don't vote for someone that clearly won't win the election and has no hope of doing so. As much I would like the idea of a Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, it's not realistic. So what I do is take both candidates (Obama and Romney) and evaluate them on all sorts of different issues (economy, foreign policy, social issues, the deficit etc) . I weigh the circumstances of the times and what the US needs at this particular moment vs what the candidates would do. In this case, for me, it was close. But I decided on Romney.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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10/31/12 11:37 PM
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The problem with the Left is they can take things too far.
Not voting for Obama? You're a racist! Enough. Besides the "racism=vote" crap you Skinny keep bringing up my friend is nonsense. Hey we elected a black President. He didn't win the primaries and general election because he was black. (And that talked up "Bradley Effect" libs feared didn't happen 4 years ago.) He might win re-election, but it won't be because he's black. (Notice Joe and Camarel are voting against him because of the economy.) There is white noise, and then there is reality. Certainly (I don't think at least) Willard won't win or lose because of his Mormonism, an issue that surprisingly (and thankfully) didn't negatively come up this summer, fall as much as I cynically expected. Which is a good thing, right? It's been a non-issue from what I've seen mainstream wise. (Notice I said mainstream. Andrew Sullivan on his blog recently has been on a tear about the racist LDS back in the 60s/70s, which is true but...so what? How does that matter for next week?) Skinny, let me ask you this. If Willard loses, will some people argue that he lost because of religious bias? Are people who don't vote for him prejudicial? Will you be pressing that point?
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/31/12 11:51 PM
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The problem with the Left is they can take things too far.
Not voting for Obama? You're a racist! Enough. Besides the "racism=vote" crap you Skinny keep bringing up my friend is nonsense. Hey we elected a black President. He didn't win the primaries and general election because he was black. (And that talked up "Bradley Effect" libs feared didn't happen 4 years ago.) He might win re-election, but it won't be because he's black. (Notice Joe and Camarel are voting against him because of the economy.) There is white noise, and then there is reality. Certainly (I don't think at least) Willard won't win or lose because of his Mormonism, an issue that surprisingly (and thankfully) didn't negatively come up this summer, fall as much as I cynically expected. Which is a good thing, right? It's been a non-issue from what I've seen mainstream wise. (Notice I said mainstream. Andrew Sullivan on his blog recently has been on a tear about the racist LDS back in the 60s/70s, which is true but...so what? How does that matter for next week?) Skinny, let me ask you this. If Willard loses, will some people argue that he lost because of religious bias? Are people who don't vote for him prejudicial? Will you be pressing that point? Camarel won't be voting against him because he's Scottish  . In all honesty though i don't see why anybody would unless it's social issues (abortion,gay marriage) imo it seems the US wants to reward Obamas failure with the economy because they believe Romneys going to make a difference on abortion issues which most experts agree it's not going to budge regardless of the presidents views.
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