I voted in Florida. We started early voting last Saturday. People have had plenty of time to vote.

We were warned that the ballot is 6 pages long, with a lot of amendments(I voted in favor of abortion, as an example).

No suppression. Just stupidity.

You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.

My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.

You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either.

I think Obama actually wants tax rates to go back to pre-Bush era, which means a tax hike for almost everyone. He did say it at one of the debates.]

What people forget is that Clinton is the one who lowered cap gains and inheritance taxes. People focus on Bush tax cuts and ignore the fact that Clinton got the ball rolling.

123, I think you need a drink or a Valium or something. What the heck?? You really need to just relax, especially for someone who refers to themselves as "independent", you seem to get your back up against anyone who speaks in favor of the President's agenda.

Several times, I've heard mention of these "loopholes" that Governor Romney wants to close to raise money to lower the deficit. I've repeatedly asked WHICH loopholes are to be closed. I don't know, and I would like someone to give me specifics. However, nobody has ever answered that question.

I apologize if I seemed a little heated. People don't have to agree with me at all that's fine, but he used the quote "filthy rich, doesn't want to pay their fair share, and ignorant". That's insulting and not just to me but many other people in this country as well. He gave off the impression that what he thought he was "right" and anyone else who didn't was an idiot.

That's why I got fiery. However I acknowledge that we all have our opinions on politics. But the reason I back Romney is mainly because I get the impression almost everyone on here accepts the President's agenda without question and that the GOP are idiots. That's not the case. That's why I'm an independent. I lived in South Carolina for two years, you would not believe how conservative they are it's nauseating and I despised it. But I see the other side of that spectrum here.

I don't think that the GOP are idiots. I think they have some idiots (Sarah Palin), but every group has that weird cousin, no? While the Governor isn't stupid by any means, he can seem that way because he is out of touch with the average man. When he doesn't know what a doughnut is called, that's tells me something. Like I said, not stupid, but might be clueless. Big difference.

I don't accept anything without question (which is why I want to know more about those loopholes), but I do feel that Governor Romney was born of privilege and doesn't have any clue what "normal" people go through on a day to day basis. I think he wants to make sure to keep the class structure exactly the way it is.

I think the President, on the other hand, knows both sides. He's been poor and now he's very rich. He understands middle class struggle, and I think he's a better choice. I also agree with his ideology vs. Mr. Romney's.

That's why I've made my choice. A different GOP candidate and maybe my vote would be different, but I cannot vote for Governor Romney.

And whether or not I agree with you, I respect your opinion. The reason I got heated was that I felt Afs was not respecting mine.

If you say so W.A.

You have to love the way people fight to the death for their side.

You have one guy who will cut things and no matter what he cuts will have people up in arms so he tries to be vague.
and the other side brands him with the fear factor so you should give him a chance and by the way, he is super rich so he doesn't know the avg. person...so he can not be a good leader.

The other guy has had four years to show what he could do and we should close our eyes to what he didn't do and what he did wrong and tries to plays it off as I was left with this mess, give me more time.....and by the way, don't worry, I am going to make the other guy pay for it! And what person doesn't want the other guy to pay for it!

Thank God this crap and bullshit will all be over by Wednesday. The bad part is.... we will start a whole new cycle the following day! People are already starting to talk 2016 already.....

Just 48 more hours. Right? RIGHT?!? It would be nice to watch another football game without election ads inbetween my guys in pads hitting each other for million$.

Ryan: Obama Threatens Judeo-Christian Values

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Or perhaps he's being vague because he doesn't have a clue what he's going to cut. He has no obligation to be specific? Don't people have the right to know what they're voting for?

But I thought cutting PBS would solve our deficit?

BTW, in random amusing news, Neil Diamond tweeted that he's working the phones for Obama. "Amusing" because I didn't know he used Twitter.

~If he called me, I would ask WTF was he thinking with that JAZZ SINGER remake he did.

"Neil, why are you in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and not say KISS?"

"....umm, yeah." *cough* "You wanna vote for Obama?"

I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.

The funding for PBS and NPR is 1/100th of 1% of the federal budget, and costs the average taxpayer about $1.45 a year.

Skinny, I know you're just following your news "sources" but PBS over time has gotten less. And less. And less federal funding. In fact now it's what, .0001 something # of the federal budget?

Of all the wasteful spending in our government, that is the target? How less serious can one be about cutting fat? What about the price gouging or overpaying military contractors that nobody (especially in the mainstream right) ever bitches about?

I'm reminded of that line from the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY about the Pentagon. I can't remember it accurately, but from Judd Hirsch:

"$50,000 for a hammer. $100,000 for a toilet seat!"

For the record I never called the like of your father a dog. That's your doing. I said filthy rich, which simply means very rich. The fact stands. They pay 14% tax on their income and middle class pays over 20 to even 30% depending on their size of family and dependents. You say they shouldn't be taxed more, I ask why not pay as much as middle class pays? Isn't that just fair? Closing the loopholes means cutting those deductions that middle class gets yet again.

And I said you are EITHER filthy rich, OR misinformed and ignorant which again means misinformed. You are obviously the former. So stop playing us by saying you are independent, you're obviously a republican and favor their agenda. As for respect for opinions, I really can't respect such opinions that favor unfairness and exploiting the middle class. I respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but that's as far as I go. If I respected every opinion, I'd have to stop criticizing every crazy religious, economical, or political opinion that's out there.

Yesterday, the NY Daily News in their Sunday edition came out with an editorial officially endorsing Romney.

Very surprising, and somewhat disappointing considering the Daily News used to pride itself on being a voice of/for the "average person."

Still, coming only a couple of days before the election, I would imagine most people have already made up their minds who they're voting for. I really wonder if this endorsement will sway many (or any) voters at this late date.

Still, IMO, their editorial stance was surprising.


Signor V.

I read it this morning, and I thought I was reading the NY Post.

First off I don't call my dad anything of the sort. Secondly don't tell me what I am because I am not a republican, I do not support all of their agenda. There are some things about their agenda that I do support and some things about the democratic agenda I support. So don't be an idiot and tell me what I am politically.

I repeat again do not try to call me ignorant or misinformed when it's you who cannot speak objectively or see the other side of an argument. I agree with some of the things president Obama has done. But I feel he's taking us in the wrong direction economically. It's not ignorance it's a goddamn opinion. You have every right to criticize something that's arrogant, hateful, nonsensesical, or crude. But I am none of these things.

Now to clear up what I said earlier, I am in favor to close loopholes so the rich cant make deductions and pay less. But taxing the rich more does nothing. It does nothing to help our economy or to cut our deficit. In the end everyone is going to be paying more for obamacare.

This is not about a class war which is what you're making it. It's about finding common ground to solve our nations problems. That's what we all should be focusing on. Not squabbling.

You don't even read my post. I said either this or that, and obviously you are the former, meaning you are rich and not ignorant, (well, your dad is rich, so you are and will be) and understandably you do not want to pay more taxes. This doesn't mean you are right or what you like is fair. This IS a class warfare. Why should middle class pay a higher percentage than the rich and bear the weight of the country on their shoulders? I don't think taxing middle class this much is helping the economy either. I think I'd settle for everyone paying the same percentage.

Good. We should use that money to fix a bridge. Feed homeless New Yorkers affected by Sandy. Funding for the VA. We don't need to spend any money on PBS.

Vintage newspaper article from October 1984.

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Hell, I'm still reeling over Tricky Dick Nixon's landslide victory back in 1972!

Since I was (barely) not old enough to vote when that debacle occurred, I've always wondered if my vote would have actually made a difference!


Signor V.

Afsaneh77 you misjudge me yet again. My father was wealthy and I did grow up in a well to do home. But I am not rich. You wanna know what I do? I'm jazz/blues musician in a band and I work at a small deli. I have no more money than anyone else in this world and for the record I don't take a cent off my dad.

This is the problem I've had with President Obama, he's trying to make this whole election and problems a class war. What does that do other than pit Americans against each other and missing the whole issue? This is not about class. The rich Americans pay MORE taxes in this country because they have more money. But the middle class taxes should be lowered. In fact it's stupid to raise taxes on anyone in our fragile economy right now. That doesn't help growth it discourages it.

One of the things that Paul Ryan has right is that we need to cut a lot of federally funded programs. I wish he would cut military spending but he is economically conservative, and I feel like that's the kind of precense we need in the white house, not a president who spends money like a drunken sailor.

Looks like it is open season on the rich!

Why are so many, so worried about what someone else is paying or not paying....why not worry more about where you money is being spent?

Why not worry about tons and tons of red tape or all the rules that now make it almost impossible for people to start or run their business. They are keeping people from getting ahead or keeping them from competing in an open market.

and let all of us make those who serve in Government stop worrying if they are D or R and do what is right for the people instead of what will hurt the so call other side..

^^^couldnt agree more

Ah the destructive simplicity of ideology, and those who relish in it within a chaotic, amibigious world.

Which regulations to be precise are so evil? Most regulations more likely than not were imposed in the first place for good rational reasons, not because somebody wanted to murder commerce. I know for some people they mindlessly yell "bad regulations!" until something bad happens, then they demand action, which case they get...more regulations. Somebody dump chemicals in the river and reaches the drinking water supply and people get sick? Duh.

I won't say all regulations are necessary, or necessary anymore unlike the past when they were originally imposed. But which ones exactly you two? Don't give me another blanket statement, we've gotten enough of them this election season.

Then again we live in a time when just because you're make a ton of money, you're now considered a job-creating tycoon like Jobs or Carnegie. With that wonderful bulletproof logic, how about we promote the Mob to office? They're good at making money and "employing" people. How about hookers? Don't diss the jobs they help create with pimps and drug dealers. THEY CREATE JOBS!!!! Willard was a parasite. But he made money!!!!!!!

People like Bill Gates and Carnegie and even Vince McMahon and his pro wrestling corporate empire (his wife is running for Senate this year), they did things that I personally don't approve of. But you can't argue against the fact that they all changed the world around them, or at the least the industries they dominated and kicked in the balls. That impact, with the rest of business/industry responding to what you do, impresses me much more than all the bajillion bucks made from goddman equity.

Then again, standards have been slipping. There was a time when GOP Senate candidates don't call women who get abortions more evil criminals than rapists. Times change.