not sure if this has been posted but found it online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUCaK4fcBA&feature=relmfu

Probably the greatest consigliere in American mafia history, served as consigliere under three separate regimes (Ricca, Giancana, Aiuppa). Still, some say he was a dry beefer cause of his shady butt buddy relationship with roemer.

The 'mobsters' series is absolutely awfully by the way.

I've seen this before but imo mobsters is not awful i'll agree they add an awful amount of rumours but it at leaast tries to document the only criminals i'm personally interested in.

Thanks anyway Nicky

Hate the way roemer tried to make Joe B seem like a boss just because he was the only guy that have him the time of day. Hate how the mobsters series more or less does the same thing, glorifies a consigliere

Joe Batters may have held the title of consigliere, but he was subservient to Ricca only. He held the real power when Giancana and Auippa were boss. Accardo had the final word on key decisions with those two, and that is beyond debate.

Lol just no. He was a lifetime consigliere. Consiglieres never hold top power, obviously. Ricca, Giancana, & Aiuppa were top bosses, JB was not. These are just facts. Just look at the family secrets photo, Obrien is seated at the head of the table.

Put down the roemer books

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Agreed, when Ricca went to jail Accardo took over that family with Ricca in the background as a "consultant" and boss in name only, when accardo became consig in 57 the boss position was really a "front boss" (think salerno and chin) until the early 90s with all major decision decided by ricca and accardo

i rank accardo right up there with carlo gambino

+1

Lol that's just simply not true. Carlo Gambino? You're out of your mind, Ricca is the only one that could be mentioned in that breath, possibly Aiuppa. Giancana was more powerful than any of them, but obviously the lack of longevity hurts his claim.

I honestly don't know where you people get this crap from. Im assuming books written by bogus sources (Bill Roemer) & poorly produced television programs like 'Mobsters'? The boss position was really a front boss until the early 90s? Come on now, that's just talking out of your butt, no offense.

Joe Batters was never the boss of the Chicago Outfit.

Accardo was one of the top Cosa Nostra bosses all time in the United States, he was a low key behind the scene guy. He held the ultimate power for over 30 years in Chicago.

He can fill the top spot indeed, next to Carlo Gambino and other big shot bosses.

The Chicago outfit didn´t have the consigliere position in the way, for example, the NY Families had/have it. Tony Accardo was the boss of the outfit replacing Ricca in the 1940s. I have posted FBI documents saying so in earlier threads when Bridgeportvet (or whatever his name was) harried on here some time ago.
When Giancana was made boss, Accardo and Ricca stepped aside but remained as advisors, not consiglieres (the no three position normally seen with the NY Families).
Ricca and Accardo sat with the ultimate power and most of the heavier desicions went through them. This was necessary because Giancana turned out to be a horrible boss. They remained in this position also after Giancana was expelled probably because they found their positions, sitting in the background, suitable to them. And who can blame them?

I, and others as well, asked Bridgeportvet numerous of times where he got his information from. He never told us and kept mumbeling about him being on the streets of Chicago and therefore knew better than anybody else, that is, all posters, mob watchers, researchers, crime historians, FBI, LE etc.
So I´m asking you, Ricobenes, where do you get your info from from?

JB was THE boss!!!The End.

Edit:Btw Nickyeyes1 theres a post called "Organized crime documentaries" in the "Other mob films/books/tv" forum and theres lists of some docs and some of em can STILL be found on youtube,the rest of em r deleted

No, just no, on all accounts. The Outfit most certainly had consigliere position, the most notable was Tony Accardo.

Tony Accardo wasn't fit to sniff Giancana's butt crack, let alone be mentioned in the same sentence as fucking Paulie Ricca or Joey Obrien. Giancana was the most successful boss the Outfit ever had in terms of garnering power & gathering men. He established a proper heroin connection for the Outfit, completely constricted the unions, and most of all put Pat Marcy & the Rotis in power of the 1st ward. he happened to become boss during a devastating time, when surveillance was evolving at the speed of light & indictments were being handed down like it was going out of style.

Tony Accardo was a great mind, no doubt, and his longevity is pretty staggering, but he was a flip flopper that worked with feds and went with whomever was popular at the time. he never ran a crew or gave the decision on anything. He was a consigliere, a top advisor and a mediator.

One of the reasons people are misinformed are obviously the feds bogus information, but also due to Roemer himself talking up accardo because JB was the only one out of the upper echelon guys that treated him civilly. Giancana made it known on many different occasions that he would murder and possibly torture roemer without any hesitation if he was alone with him.

Anyways, all that is poppycock regardless. JB was never a top boss, end of story

Ricobenes, since you don´t name any of your sources, I have to believe you came up with your assumptions reading comic books while taking a bath. Sorry, that won´t cut it.

Who are you? I don't have to prove anything to you lol, mind your own business or rationally discuss, thanks

Hook LaPietra was my dad, happy? Hahahahaha

Then I have some questions I want you to answer. I´m curious.

- In the late 1970s, what was the address Hook Lapietra lived on?
- What was the name of the special club Lapietra founded in the 1990s and what was his role?
- How many sons and daughters did Lapietra have?
- What was Lapietra´s father´s first name?

Way to verify hairy, this should be good.....

-the mansion's at 30th & Princeton
-he didn't found the old neighbourhood club in the 90s, it began as a storefront on 26th st in 1981, and moved again to a slightly larger storefront. He built the new, massive one after he was released from Leavenworth with his share of the Vegas skim profits. He was the owner. I should know, we were members there growing up
-dunno don't care, his one daughter is or was married to Kurt Calabrese
-dunno don't care

And he's not my father :-)

I was jkjk rock infelise was my uncle, Vince solano was my cousin, joey obrien was my grandfather etc etc lolololol good enough??

Mooch eboli was my cousins uncles brothers uncle lolol, Joe ferriola was my dads cousins brothers uncle hahahahahaha

What Ricobenes' is saying jibes with the most in the know people I've ever spoken to about the Chicago mob.

The academic/outsiders always peg Accardo as the big mastermind boss, but the people who have street knowledge--and by that I mean basically were related to a member of the mob--say he was really just an overseer and uninolved.

They also are all largely enamored, as seen here, with the psychopath Mooney Giancana.

Well, it depends on what time frame you are talking about. Was Accardo just an overseer and uninvolved when he was in his 70s and 80s? Yeah, I think so too. Was he just an overseer and uninvolved in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s? Absolutely not. Together with Ricca, he was the one who appointed bosses (Giancana, Alderisio, Aiuppa). This is documented.

No one is going to take Ricobenes seriously if he keeps on telling outright lies. First he was the son of Lapietra. Then he was not. Now he´s the nephew of Infelice and whatnot. Who´s going to believe him? Why post a bunch of crap on here and expect he can get away with it? I want to regard this forum seriously and with respect. He should do the same.

I agree that he is an odd duck. He is obviously deeply knowledgable on the Outfit but I don't know why he would say all that nonsense.

Potentially he is a castoff from the old American News Post threads.

I really don't know the answer to your question. I can't remember if I've ever heard anyone insinuate that Accardo was NEVER the day to day boss. That really wouldn't make any sense at all.

I do think a few of the guys on the old American News Post threads, who were almost like Outfit PhDs, seemed to indicate that his role as a day to day boss was far shorter and less substantial than is generally made out, but like I said, those guys have their own issues. They knew an incredible amount but it always came from some family member and they would never believe anything else in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And like I said, they were all huge fanboys of Sam Giancana.

I just finished Gus Russo's book and even though it really advanced Murray Humphries as being the driving force behind the Outfit for decades he acknowledged Accardo as pretty much being the boss/having the role he is traditionally thought to have.

I'm not one of those from Anp (I'm assuming you're referring to the don & black angelo from those boards, who obviously had incredible amounts of outfit knowledge). I joked about my family relations due to the fact that this guy kept pressuring me, thinking I was going to openly say something like "oh I'm Joe batters grandkid" or "I'm cerones nephew" or something like that, which I would obviously never ever do. I am related to alleged gangsters, but that isn't important.

Everyone in Chicago is a "fanboy" of mooney giancana, not just the dickheads over at anp. he was the most beloved boss the outfit ever knew. To this day when his name comes up an outfit gangster will shed a tear & tip their hat to the man. He was a legend, fearless, had balls the size of cantelopes, and he'd get out there and fight for his men. Joe batters was known to the street gangster as some crotchety old man who owned a mansion and had no connection whatsoever to the street.

But I digress, like I said, one need only to look at the family secrets dinner photo at the Sicily to see AIUPPA at the head of the table, where the boss sits, with accardo in the consigliere spot to the right of him. It's not rocket science guys

Side note, its difficult to regard this forum and your posts in particular with respect, when you're blatantly reciting lines from Bill Roemer books & goofy television specials. Several users such as NickyEyes & PP as well as a few others are actually open to learning, & display some basic problem solving skills/rational thought, lol. Others, not so much. The dumb myth that Joe Batters is some type of Paul Ricca/Carlo Gambino/Joey Obrien masterboss was debunked a long long time ago. No offense to anyone.

I choose to accept the information advanced by the FBI, legal documents, public testimony, informants, and so forth, rather than an anonymous internet poster who claims to have some relations, then others.

The FBI had the Outfit wired and bugged (Little Al, Shade, Plumb). They heard discussions that the Outfit thought were private and confidential. The FBI, and Roemer, had no reason or agenda to assert anything other than the truth about leadership positions.

As noted above, the Outfit did not (and does not) follow the traditional hierarchy of the NY families. Giancana and Auippa were front bosses, in the NY sense.

Gus russo is a clown. If you'd really like a decent outfit read (there aren't many) go with Cooley's book.

The fbi, lol, right, the same org that legitimately thought that fucking Lumpy Lombardo was the head of the Chicago Outfit?

Roemer most certainly had an agenda, he hated mooney. This was well known.

Accardo was never anything above consigliere & front boss, end of story lol.