Your incorrect sir, Obama wants to bring the rates for the rich back to Clinton-era rates when this country experienced great economic growth. Dont get me started on all the deductions and tax credits the rich are able to take (just ask Romney). Anti commerce? Not much, the market under Obama has experienced tremendous growth the Dow is up over 50%!! since he took office four years ago, only FDR and Clinton experienced such returns while in office, this is in the WSJ see below.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/11/06/what-an-obama-win-may-mean-for-stocks/

Facts are facts cant really argue with them.

I am a moderate dem, I vote on policy issues and raw data. Today I even voted for a Republican on my ballot for a state seat. I actually disect the unemployment numbers, commerce data (import and export) and other crap you dont even want to know straight from the federal reserve myself and that is what I base my decisions on what policies to support. I dont care for ads and political talking points, I look at the facts.[/quote]

Well you're better than most Dap. I gotta respect you because despite disagreements you honor my opinion. I just want these four years to be positive just like any other American.

I'm talking about discussing the election and what we favor in one candidate over the other. Do we all need to work together? Yes. Will we? Who knows. If you have certain strong ideological difference, don't you also owe it to your constituents, who put you in office because they believe you will vote along those lines?

Btw, just saw on CBS News that Governor Romney will not concede at this time. His headquarters in Boston sure looks like he already has.

Don't any of my fellow BBers remember the Bush/Kerry era? Liberals got attacked constantly as did our candidate, beyond discussion. The other side could be brutal. PLUS, any negative comments about King Bush and you were unpatriotic. Remember?

As the BB rule goes, you don't like a post or poster ignore and really for the most part, I was able to do so. I don't recall getting into any big arguments.

But , oh no, I'm not gonna feel bad or apologize for feeling good tonight. NOT ONE BIT.


TIS

Yes, TIS, 123 should have been here during past elections! Man, there were some BRUTAL debates, especially in 2008!

That said, I don't think I can stay up much longer waiting for the Governor to scribble his speech on a cocktail napkin and get on stage.

Decisions are made by those who show up. I'm just happy to see so many people involved and interested in the process!

Btw, I was on the phone and don't know why it is the Romney isn't gonna concede? Is he waiting for OH/FL? I don't get why?



TIS

Their were a lot of voters this time around and that is certainly encouraging. Last time around I was an Obama supporter and I would've been celebrating with you all in 2008 (my first election actually). But I cannot say the same for tonight.

I must say I'm very discouraged by what I see from America. Voting out Scott Brown was just one. But I'm worried sick right now. I just can't see our country's situation getting better because Obama and the House won't get along. Plain and simple.

He's a sore loser.

Well the President doesn't come out and give his speech until Romney gives his. I expect it's not just the Republican politicians but the people who are taken aback by this win. I don't think they expected it.


TIS

It shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone that Romney lost. It was predicted. What is somewhat surprising is that he is going to lose the electoral vote almost as bad as McCain did.

VA to Obama. C'mon Willard. What are you waiting for now?

JL,

What's his electoral count now, I'm confused.



TIS

I thinks it's 284 and also he is now leading in popular vote tho not by that much so far.

CNN has it 303-203

Give it some time. He'll come out soon.

He's an ass

you were right on the money Lou! Good for you.

Romney to speak at 12:55.

Wisconsin has gone to Obama! Considering the last controversy there, it seems democrats there don't get out to vote unless there's a presidential election. Oh, well, at least for this one they do vote.

Okay, Huffington post has electoral votes 303 - 203. What was Nate Silver's prediction again?


TIS

313-225
Should I hope Obama loses Florida so my prediction comes true?

So Gracious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121107/us-obama/

Personally I thought 313 is a little too much, but it seems the best is yet to come. 332! Nobody expected Florida to go to Obama.

Here's what I posted to Facebook, for posterity...



I don't HATE Obama, I just disagree with some things. And I actually love the First Lady! I don't particularly like Romney at all. That's why I didn't vote for either.

I don't believe him for a second. He says the best is yet to come? He will have to prove that. Make the debt go down and encourage business then maybe I'll feel better about him as our president.

I just watched Obama's speech on television. But I'm a little confused, as I didn't have the TV on until just before he spoke - did Romney make any sort of concession speech beforehand? Did I miss something here?


Signor V.

Yes, he did that about 10 minutes before president's speech. I just didn't post it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121107/us-romney/

He was talking about that 29 electoral votes from Florida.

Testicles notwithstanding, I don't even recall a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in New York - unless I was in a fog which is entirely possible.

Was there a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in New Jersey? Or was yours a write-in vote?


Signor V.

Geoff, what wouldn't I give to have this two party political system right here. I mean practically Ahmadinejad came as an independent and we didn't know who he was, well it was obvious to the like of me, but most people had no slightest idea when voted for him. Emerging from a well known political party that vets a candidate is a far more better way.

Yay, Obama is doing well in popular vote as well. Trump could shut his trap now. 49.8% to 48.7%.