Side note, its difficult to regard this forum and your posts in particular with respect, when you're blatantly reciting lines from Bill Roemer books & goofy television specials. Several users such as NickyEyes & PP as well as a few others are actually open to learning, & display some basic problem solving skills/rational thought, lol. Others, not so much. The dumb myth that Joe Batters is some type of Paul Ricca/Carlo Gambino/Joey Obrien masterboss was debunked a long long time ago. No offense to anyone.